Opinionson the Chris Christie/CPAC issue

tecoyah · Feb 27, 2013

My Take...

Sandy pounded NJ, Christie is the man in charge of it.

Obama is in charge of the United States, which has historically acted to help the states.

Obama did what we pay him to do, and Christie did what I would hope anyone would do....Say THANK YOU.

Now (even though he is the most popular man in the party, has voted and championed the conservative ideal, and actually seems to do a pretty good job), he is treated like a red headed stepchild by the organization that claims to want the type he is?

I am confused if this is logical.

misterveritis · Feb 28, 2013

Christie conservative?

tecoyah said:
My Take...

Sandy pounded NJ, Christie is the man in charge of it.

Obama is in charge of the United States, which has historically acted to help the states.

Obama did what we pay him to do, and Christie did what I would hope anyone would do....Say THANK YOU.

Now (even though he is the most popular man in the party, has voted and championed the conservative ideal, and actually seems to do a pretty good job), he is treated like a red headed stepchild by the organization that claims to want the type he is?

I am confused if this is logical.

Christie is not conservative.

He is just another establishment Republican - a Democrat-lite. And that, perhaps, is why you like him.

Stonewall · Feb 28, 2013

tecoyah said:
My Take...

Sandy pounded NJ, Christie is the man in charge of it.

Obama is in charge of the United States, which has historically acted to help the states.

Obama did what we pay him to do, and Christie did what I would hope anyone would do....Say THANK YOU.

That who we need to thank....the President? For walking up and offering yours and my money for relief efforts? That what we elect Presidents for, tecoyah, you actually think he should get thanked.....for spending more of your money?

For the love of God.

Now (even though he is the most popular man in the party, has voted and championed the conservative ideal, and actually seems to do a pretty good job), he is treated like a red headed stepchild by the organization that claims to want the type he is?

I am confused if this is logical.

Ain't his fault, New Jersey folk have no clue, most roll through life without experiencing a hurricane. Same with New Yorkers. Trained professionals...those of us that brush hurricanes such as Sandy aside with ease, we know how to prepare, endure long power outages for example. you're probably confused due to your misunderstanding as well, t.

This is a sad thread start imo.

David · Feb 28, 2013

Stonewall said:
That who we need to thank....the President? For walking up and offering yours and my money for relief efforts? That what we elect Presidents for, tecoyah, you actually think he should get thanked.....for spending more of your money?

For the love of God.

Ain't his fault, New Jersey folk have no clue, most roll through life without experiencing a hurricane. Same with New Yorkers. Trained professionals...those of us that brush hurricanes such as Sandy aside with ease, we know how to prepare, endure long power outages for example. you're probably confused due to your misunderstanding as well, t.

This is a sad thread start imo.

Except Sandy wan't a hurricane, it was a nor'easter that dropped several feet of snow in a day and flooded Manhattan. Down south, most places wouldn't flood (it was only a Cat 1) and the wind damage would of been a non-issue for anyone not living in a trailer. You need to stop looking at the wind speeds, this thing had the power of Katrina when it hit.

Stonewall · Feb 28, 2013

David said:
Except Sandy wan't a hurricane, it was a nor'easter that dropped several feet of snow in a day and flooded Manhattan. Down south, most places wouldn't flood (it was only a Cat 1) and the wind damage would of been a non-issue for anyone not living in a trailer. You need to stop looking at the wind speeds, this thing had the power of Katrina when it hit.

Firstly David, Katrina when 200 miles from New Orleans(that it did not hit) and tracking right at Sin City..... she was kicking waves of 67 feet in the Gulf of Mexico. New Orleans is 10 feet under sea level. Had Katrina actually hit New Orleans.....we would have seen biblical proportion disaster, Katrina was a full fledged Cat 5 storm.

But secondly and more to my point......both storms though blew the skirts of certain geographies up exposing the absolute government dependency and cannot possibly do for oneself attitude of modern America. There is nothing new about these storms....what is new is that some observers actually believe we should thank the President when he shows up for a camera shot before heading off for another campaign stop......promising to spend your money for relief efforts.

I saw people standing in line in NY and NJ.....as early as the next day.....for gasoline to put in generators. You can.....actually purchase gas....before the storm hits and after you lose power.

I watched on tv following Sandy..this mother with two children....a mere 48 hours after Sandy hit..whining there was no food...no water. This was a woman who still had a home.....and had done NOTHING to prepare herself or her family for this storm. You are out of food...and water a mere two days after you've had a week of preparation? And you have children?

Madam.....you should be arrested for gross neglect of a child...two in this case....and forced to serve jail time.

David · Feb 28, 2013

Stonewall said:
Firstly David, Katrina when 200 miles from New Orleans(that it did not hit) and tracking right at Sin City..... she was kicking waves of 67 feet in the Gulf of Mexico. New Orleans is 10 feet under sea level. Had Katrina actually hit New Orleans.....we would have seen biblical proportion disaster, Katrina was a full fledged Cat 5 storm.

Sandy was kicking them up to 70 feet and had a 20' storm surge in places (thus Manhattan going under). The fact that it was a cat 3/4 with cat 1 winds is something that will keep meteorologists occupied for years. Same power, less wind and wind is always secondary in these kinds of high impact storms.

Stonewall · Mar 1, 2013

The point often gets distracted....both storms exposed gross negligence and a frightening dependence on government by We the People. Again, storms like this are nothing new, cultures near and far suffer from weather events. But our culture here in America seems to suffer from a dependency disease, one not passed on from our Founders or early America rather an illness that it's come down with as a result of a bloated, overwhelming, and babysitting central government.

David · Mar 1, 2013

Stonewall said:
The point often gets distracted....both storms exposed gross negligence and a frightening dependence on government by We the People. Again, storms like this are nothing new, cultures near and far suffer from weather events. But our culture here in America seems to suffer from a dependency disease, one not passed on from our Founders or early America rather an illness that it's come down with as a result of a bloated, overwhelming, and babysitting central government.

This wasn't some flood, Sandy wiped out the emergency funds in NY and NJ and crippled the economy in the whole of the NE. If the Feds hadn't stepped in to bring the whole of America's wealth to bare (the whole point of those states forming our Federation in the 1st place), the place would be a frozen 3rd World shit hole right now. I get the whole individualistic ideal (I agree with it even as you'd know if you knew me personally) but this was a national disaster and so I've no issue with the nation as a whole stepping up to fix the situation. Even if you fail to understand the point of the u is USA, it was still right to help them (form a Floridian's POV) if for no other reason then to repay them for their help here in '04.

Stonewall · Mar 1, 2013

The point is......the entire nation must step up....because Americans suddenly cannot do for themselves any longer. Look to the thread start here for proof, someone crying for Obama to be given thanks. We neglect to prepare for these storms even though we have warnings and are given time to prepare. People are more dependent today on a central government to plan, prepare, and rescue if needed. Fewer look to themselves or their neighbors anymore, we've become sheep. Those two storms prove it.

David · Mar 1, 2013

Stonewall said:
The point is......the entire nation must step up....because Americans suddenly cannot do for themselves any longer. Look to the thread start here for proof, someone crying for Obama to be given thanks. We neglect to prepare for these storms even though we have warnings and are given time to prepare. People are more dependent today on a central government to plan, prepare, and rescue if needed. Fewer look to themselves or their neighbors anymore, we've become sheep. Those two storms prove it.

How were they going to take care of that by themselves? Their economies collapsed and their emergency fund didn't cover the cost of repairs and rescues. Your not suggesting New Englanders are filthy rich supermen are you?

Stonewall · Mar 1, 2013

David said:
How were they going to take care of that by themselves? Their economies collapsed and their emergency fund didn't cover the cost of repairs and rescues. Your not suggesting New Englanders are filthy rich supermen are you?

What year did the federal government become responsible?

David · Mar 1, 2013

Stonewall said:
What year did the federal government become responsible?

When the states created it to run an equal partnership federation...

misterveritis · Mar 2, 2013

David said:
How were they going to take care of that by themselves? Their economies collapsed and their emergency fund didn't cover the cost of repairs and rescues. Your not suggesting New Englanders are filthy rich supermen are you?

Has anyone heard of insurance?

David · Mar 2, 2013

misterveritis said:
Has anyone heard of insurance?

And when the damage is more then what the insurers have insured? Insurers, both private and state-run, operate under the assumption that they'll only make payouts to a handful of people at any given time. This is why they leave no stone unturned looking for fraudulent claims and make claimants pay higher premiums as it limits the hit to the money pool they use for their payouts. A major disaster like Sandy however causes everyone to make a claim at once overwhelming the insurers at which point ether the gov't (state or Federal depending on the scale of the damage) steps in or the insurers go under in which case nobody gets payed and everyone gets left with ruins they can't afford to rebuild.

You really have a nasty habit of not following your arguments to their logical conclusions before making them.

misterveritis · Mar 2, 2013

David said:
And when the damage is more then what the insurers have insured? Insurers, both private and state-run, operate under the assumption that they'll only make payouts to a handful of people at any given time. This is why they leave no stone unturned looking for fraudulent claims and make claimants pay higher premiums as it limits the hit to the money pool they use for their payouts. A major disaster like Sandy however causes everyone to make a claim at once overwhelming the insurers at which point ether the gov't (state or Federal depending on the scale of the damage) steps in or the insurers go under in which case nobody gets payed and everyone gets left with ruins they can't afford to rebuild.

You really have a nasty habit of not following your arguments to their logical conclusions before making them.

It was hardly a major disaster.

But it was a great excuse for additional massive federal spending. Everything is. The biggest frauds is perpetrated by government.
50 billion dollars buys lots of votes.

We have become a banana republic.

If insurers go under then they go under.

David · Mar 2, 2013

misterveritis said:
It was hardly a major disaster.

But it was a great excuse for additional massive federal spending. Everything is. The biggest frauds is perpetrated by government.
50 billion dollars buys lots of votes.

We have become a banana republic.

If insurers go under then they go under.

It wan't a major disaster? It did the economic damage of Katrina.

Aeonpax · Mar 3, 2013

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This sounds like another example of the GOP, "eating their own."

When conservative Chief Justice John Roberts voted in favor of the Affordable Care Act, the Republican faithful were just about ready to hang him.

Stonewall · Mar 3, 2013

Aeonpax said:
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This sounds like another example of the GOP, "eating their own."

When conservative Chief Justice John Roberts voted in favor of the Affordable Care Act, the Republican faithful were just about ready to hang him.

Eating of their own was seen in our preparation, reaction, and response to both storms. Decades entrenched central government policies that are wholly incapable of managing weather events much less financial crisis or entitlement programs.......epic fails, A. And We the People.....I mean what in the world? We seem wholesale and completely dependent. I mean...does that not stare you straight in the face? I cannot see anyone focused here on the Republican eating of their own....look at these local governments that have been dominated by Democrats for decades! Their first reaction is show me the money.

It's always nice to have a deflection though, so I'll bite. John Roberts in my Conservative view did the exact right thing. He called it what it was...a tax, and left it to We the People electing a President in 2012. The election is what saved Obamacare.

Stonewall · Mar 3, 2013

David said:
It wan't a major disaster? It did the economic damage of Katrina.

David, ever been in a hurricane?

misterveritis · Mar 3, 2013

David said:
It wan't a major disaster? It did the economic damage of Katrina.

It was just another excuse for massive give aways. Fifty billion dollars buys lots of votes.

This should have been handled almost entirely through insurance claims after the initial emergency was over.

If people cannot afford to rebuild then let the government buy their property one time and convert it to parks or woodlands.

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