An Inconvenient Life

Didymus · Jan 8, 2011

As you may know by now, there was a shooting in Arizona that has been talked about on all the cable news channels.

I don't know why people are surprised, especially liberal Democrats, when shootings like this take place. Liberal Democrats have worked hard at creating a culture of death in this country. They have created an attitude in our society that if someone gets in the way, or are otherwise inconvenient to one's plans, one can simply kill the inconvenient person. Such is the case with abortion. An unborn baby, a blob of tissue, an inconvenient life.

What are the reasons for abortion? Can't have a baby now, I want to continue my education. Or, I have a career. Or, I'm married and the child doesn't belong to the husband. Whatever the reason, it all comes down to the attitude that the unborn baby is an inconvenient life.

Teri Schaivo was an inconvenient life. Michael, her former husband, wanted to get on with his life, and eventhough there were people that were willing to take care of Teri Schaivo, to her husband, Michael, Teri's life was just too inconvenient.

A deranged gunman came to a point where the lives of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords anf Federal Judge John Roll, and others, became inconvenient to him.

Liberal Democrats should be proud of themselves that the culture of death they created is working so well. What we have just witnessed is the Liberal Democrats' agenda of how to deal with inconvenient lives acted out in American life.

The Prima County Sheriff stated that we need to do some soul-searching. But he pointed a verbal finger at talk radio, and the "vitriol rhetoric" of talk radio hosts. I believe the Sheriff is pointing the finger in the wrong direction. He should be pointing the finger toward those who have created this culture of death and the attitude that we just kill inconvenient lives.

Some might say this is not the time to get political. Well, when will it be time to face the the culture of death created by Liberal Democrats? The more we put that off, the more shootings we will have like this. We must confront this culture of death now. In doing so, we must disspell the notion that there are any inconvenient lives, starting with the unborn.

My heart truly goes out to those effected by this tragedy, and I pray for those effected by this tragedy, and for the complete recovery of Congresswoman Giffords.

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DodgeFB · Jan 8, 2011

In my opinion Teri Schaivo and what happened today are totally different. I am not Democrat or liberal. But I would never leave my wife to rot for years as a vegetable like that. That is why we both have a living will. All legal and everything. My doctor has a copy of mine on file. I will not even be given fluids if I can't speak for myself. That way I know I will not linger for years like Teri did. That is the biggest fear I have. And her autopsy proved she was never going to get any better. When I was told due to stage 4 cancer I had a 90% chance of being dead in 6 months to a year I gave this subject a lot of thought.

Much different than a young healthy woman shot down because a sick mind thought it was his right to do so.

David · Jan 9, 2011

Teri Schaivo was dead. All that was left was a shell. Useful for spare parts and not much else. 'You' are the combination of chemical reactions and electrical discharges, the body is simply transport/life support. This is a simple biological fact and is true for all lifeforms with brains. Teri Schaivo, the person, was gone.

Didymus · Jan 9, 2011

David said:
Teri Schaivo was dead. All that was left was a shell. Useful for spare parts and not much else. 'You' are the combination of chemical reactions and electrical discharges, the body is simply transport/life support. This is a simple biological fact and is true for all lifeforms with brains. Teri Schaivo, the person, was gone.

David,

I once drove a handi-cap van. There was a young girl who was born with a severe case of spina-bifida. She was totally paralyzed from birth. She was loved by the parents anyway. But, according to you, she was, "Useful for spare parts and not much else." Based on your logic, there are a lot of disabled people in similar condition that are are only good for spare parts. I guess that makes disabled people inconvenient.

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Didymus · Jan 9, 2011

DodgeFB said:
In my opinion Teri Schaivo and what happened today are totally different.

I obviously disagree with your opinion. To Michael Schaivo, Teri became an inconvenient life. Those people that were killed yesterday became inconvenient to the shooter. I don't see the difference.

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David · Jan 9, 2011

Didymus said:
David,

I once drove a handi-cap van. There was a young girl who was born with a severe case of spina-bifida. She was totally paralyzed from birth. She was loved by the parents anyway. But, according to you, she was, "Useful for spare parts and not much else." Based on your logic, there are a lot of disabled people in similar condition that are are only good for spare parts. I guess that makes disabled people inconvenient.

:unsure:

By my logic her body was flawed. Being paralyzed and being brain dead are 2 vary different things.

Didymus · Jan 9, 2011

David said:
By my logic her body was flawed. Being paralyzed and being brain dead are 2 vary different things.

Teri Schaivo was not brain dead. She was able to respond to people.

DodgeFB · Jan 9, 2011

Didymus said:
Teri Schaivo was not brain dead. She was able to respond to people.

Her autopsy proved that most her brain had atrophied. Her life was over years ago. I have a dead child. I know how bad parents want to hang on. But hanging on was not fair to her. Who can really call what she had "life". I would not wish that on my worst enemy.

It is just sad it turned into a political football.

fubbers · Jan 9, 2011

Who supports gun legislation?

Living in AZ, I can say the gun is the subject of interest in a state that openly allows people to wear guns in church tavern or any political event.

This disturbed individual with a history of violence had a arsenal when he went off to do the deed. If she was packing like the NRA suggest do you think she could have drawn him down .. like a shoot out at the OK corral.

Funny how he wasn't shot by another god fearing right-winged-nut gun toter. Wait they weren't there ... they that were ... were peace loving Democrats and wrestled him to the ground.

From the time of Reagan, this country has turned to violance and hate with outright lies like "your" post Didymus, full of right winged hate and lies.

Your Schaivo, example shows how much the right will exaggerate life importance ... Keep a brain dead person alive and kill someone alive, who disagrees with your agenda.

The right loved Teri as long as she was quiet and didn't disprove their theory.

On October 15, 2003, Schiavo's feeding tube was removed. Within a week, when the Schindlers' final appeal was exhausted, State Rep. Frank Attkisson and the Florida Legislature hastily passed "Terri's Law," giving Governor Jeb Bush the authority to intervene in the case. Bush immediately ordered the feeding tube reinserted. Bush sent the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to remove Schiavo from the hospice. She was taken to Morton Plant Rehabilitation Hospital in Clearwater, where her feeding tube was surgically reinserted.[39] She was then returned to the hospice. Part of the legislation required the appointment of a guardian ad litem (GAL), Dr. Jay Wolfson, to "deduce and represent the best wishes and best interests" of Schiavo, and report them to Governor Bush. Wolfson's report did not change Michael's role as her legal guardian and did not otherwise obstruct him legally.[7]
Michael Schiavo opposed the Governor's intervention in Schiavo's case, and was represented, in part, by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). At the same time, Robert and Mary Schindler, her parents, attempted to intervene and participate in the "Terri's Law" case but were denied by Judge W. Douglas Baird, a Circuit Judge in the Florida Sixth Circuit, the same circuit as for Judge George W. Greer. They appealed, and, on February 13, the Florida Second District Court of Appeal (Second District Court of Appeals) reversed Baird's ruling, allowing them to participate. On March 17, Baird denied the Schindlers the right to intervene a 2nd time,[40] and the Schindlers, represented by the conservative American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), appealed the right to participate in the "Terri's Law" case, with the court scheduling an oral argument date for June 14.[41] The Schindlers' other attorney, Pat Anderson, was concurrently challenging Michael Schiavo's right to be her guardian, and, on June 16, she made a petition for writ of Quo Warranto.
On May 5, 2004, Baird found "Terri's Law". unconstitutional, and struck it down.[42] Bush appealed this order to the Second District Court of Appeals, but, on May 12, they issued an "Order Relinquishing Case for Entry of Final Judgment and Order to Show Cause Why this Proceeding Should Not be Certified to the Supreme Court As Requiring Immediate Resolution."[43] The Second District Court of Appeals, in sending it directly to the Florida's Supreme Court, invoked "pass through" jurisdiction.[44]
The Florida Supreme Court then overturned the law as unconstitutional.[45]

DodgeFB · Jan 9, 2011

fubbers I will be honest with you. I am about as far right as safety allows. But back when the Bush boys were meddling with the Schiavo case they made me almost turn on them. I am against abortion, I am for right to die. Which means I believe in my right to die when and if I chose. And I would never want some "do-gooder" telling my family they must keep me alive at all cost. I have lived for years in the middle. I never will get better. But I may live another 10 years just waiting to die.

David · Jan 9, 2011

Didymus said:
Teri Schaivo was not brain dead. She was able to respond to people.

No she didn't. She had a partially active brain stem, the responses, while I won't call out as lies, were simply wishful thinking.

Didymus · Jan 10, 2011

edit by myp: be respectful to others' opinions- personal insults are not tolerated here

DodgeFB · Jan 10, 2011

Didymus said:
Is there anything but God damned idiots on the site? If not, let me the hell off. So far, nothing but jerks have responded to the OP.

Great response here. Great way to make your point. I am sorry you don't have the ability to understand how we have tried to be respectful toward you.

But there are more hateful toned sites that like to rant and rave that may be more to your "style". Ever what you decide I wish you well and hope you find people of your same "intellect" who will only agree with you on everything.

obtuseobserver · Jan 10, 2011

Didymus said:
Teri Schaivo was an inconvenient life. Michael, her former husband, wanted to get on with his life, and eventhough there were people that were willing to take care of Teri Schaivo, to her husband, Michael, Teri's life was just too inconvenient.

This is the troubling part. Michael wanted her to die. Teri's parents saud that they would care for her. All Michael needed to do to move on with his life was divorce Teri. He didn't. He demanded she die.

obtuseobserver · Jan 10, 2011

David said:
Teri Schaivo was dead.

Dead people don't have heart beats nor need to be fed.

If she was dead they could have burried her without the need for the courts etc.

David said:
All that was left was a shell. Useful for spare parts and not much else.

Touching. You remember that thread about moral relativism? This ^ is what I mean.

You've decided that her life is not worth sustaining and that the only reason to do so is to part her out. I'm not sure you fully grasp how repelling such a notion is.

David said:
'You' are the combination of chemical reactions and electrical discharges, the body is simply transport/life support. This is a simple biological fact and is true for all lifeforms with brains. Teri Schaivo, the person, was gone.

It is a biological fact that we are made up of lots of things. That's not what we are talking about. However, you've reduced human life to something no more meaningful than a junked car. That's a very troubling opinion.

obtuseobserver · Jan 10, 2011

DodgeFB said:
But hanging on was not fair to her. Who can really call what she had "life". I would not wish that on my worst enemy.

How was it "not fair"?

You've made a subjective comment about the value of her life. It is your opinion and so we know where you stand. OK.

There's no reason to think she shared your opinion about the value of her life.

With this issue there were two choices... kill her or continue to sustain her life.

One choice is wrong.

Only one of them is permanent and irreversable. Without a clear living will addressing the issue it would seem to make more sense to err on the side of life.

obtuseobserver · Jan 10, 2011

fubbers said:
Funny how he wasn't shot by another god fearing right-winged-nut gun toter. Wait they weren't there ... they that were ... were peace loving Democrats and wrestled him to the ground.

So, let me get this straight. There weren't any gun carrying NRA members at a political event for a democrat? This is remarkable how?

As for the peaceful people who took the kid down... if the crowd had been right wingers with guns the kid would be dead and would have shot far fewer people.

Why.... peaceful dems don't carry guns to kill murderers. Right wing peaceful people do.

obtuseobserver · Jan 10, 2011

DodgeFB said:
And I would never want some "do-gooder" telling my family they must keep me alive at all cost. I have lived for years in the middle. I never will get better. But I may live another 10 years just waiting to die.

What if they were telling your family that you must die?

Absent a clear life directive there can only be one choice. Neither of them are good. Only one can be changed at a later date.

DodgeFB · Jan 11, 2011

obtuseobserver said:
How was it "not fair"?

You've made a subjective comment about the value of her life. It is your opinion and so we know where you stand. OK.

There's no reason to think she shared your opinion about the value of her life.

With this issue there were two choices... kill her or continue to sustain her life.

One choice is wrong.

Only one of them is permanent and irreversable. Without a clear living will addressing the issue it would seem to make more sense to err on the side of life.

Good points. But also if you let them go the suffering time would be much shorter than if you are wrong you prolong the suffering. I actually had a family member in a comma for almost a year. She did wake up and live three more months. She told the family that in the comma she felt like she was stuck in a dream she was in hell. This all came about due to giving birth to her 6th child. I think more and more people will go to the trouble to put it on paper. Around here they don't want you to have a living will in some cases. Our ambulance service is one of the few places to get the "official copy" accepted here. I was refused a copy when I went to get one. I was told I was "too young". Hell I am a great grandfather! I ended up getting one from the life flight pilot. Just one case of people telling me they know better than I do about me. I was nagged into taking "chemo". I have regretted it ever sense. But the do gooders nagged and guilt tripped me into it! They should have minded their own damn business.

obtuseobserver · Jan 11, 2011

FTR - I want to state again that I'm not arguing that we shouldn't ever pull the plug. I'm saying absent a clear life directive we err on the side of life.

DodgeFB said:
Good points. But also if you let them go the suffering time would be much shorter than if you are wrong you prolong the suffering.

Let's use the Sciavo example? How do you know she was suffering? I'd offer that she wasn't suffering until they cut off her food and water and starved her to death.

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