Hey YOU - you're buying california a bullet train!

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California, which is currently in billions of dollars in debt from decades of spending money on illegal aliens and giving six-firgure salaries to run of the mill state government union employees, plans to build a bullet train for $98 billion. (Latest estimate, the estimate keeps going up.) The first leg will cost $6 billion, with most of it coming from the federal government, that is to say, YOU. (Unless you're one of the shiftless "99 percenters" who don't pay any taxes.)

What grand metropolises will this mighty train connect? Fresno and Chowchilla. Fresno is a rural city of 500,000 people that looks a lot smaller when you have the misfortune to be there. Chowchilla has 18,000 people, with its main claim to fame of having two california state women's prisons.

Yep, that's it. Eventually, they'll connect the major california population centers - san francisco and southern california. The local obamaistas say it will "create jobs". The estimated government subsidy per job "created" is $1 million per job. It'll get done in 25 years. Nobody will ride it - the current long haul Amtrak carries mostly illegal alien agricultural workers going back and forth from Mexico to the Central Valley. Meanwhile, you can get LA to san francisco round-trip air tickets for $120.
 
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Patrick said:
California, which is currently in billions of dollars in debt from decades of spending money on illegal aliens and giving six-firgure salaries to run of the mill state government union employees, plans to build a bullet train for $98 billion. (Latest estimate, the estimate keeps going up.) The first leg will cost $6 billion, with most of it coming from the federal government, that is to say, YOU. (Unless you're one of the shiftless "99 percenters" who don't pay any taxes.)

What grand metropolises will this mighty train connect? Fresno and Chowchilla. Fresno is a rural city of 500,000 people that looks a lot smaller when you have the misfortune to be there. Chowchilla has 18,000 people, with its main claim to fame of having two california state women's prisons.

Yep, that's it. Eventually, they'll connect the major california population centers - san francisco and southern california. The local obamaistas say it will "create jobs". The estimated government subsidy per job "created" is $1 million per job. It'll get done in 25 years. Nobody will ride it - the current long haul Amtrak carries mostly illegal alien agricultural workers going back and forth from Mexico to the Central Valley. Meanwhile, you can get LA to san francisco round-trip air tickets for $120.
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Better spendig the money this way than spending it on wall street bailouts think of how many factories that will work and employ people to produce product for this project . as for what you call "illegal alien" will become citizens some day weather you like it or not ,regardless who is in the white house or the congress , you better resign yourself to this fact .
 
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If this was a Repub project he'd be singing it's praises about how his party was investing in he future and getting rid of traffic. But it's a Dem thing and the Dems can do no right in his eyes.
 
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Better spendig the money this way than spending it on wall street bailouts think of how many factories that will work and employ people to produce product for this project .
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Yeah that is right up there with blowing all that money on "cash for clunkers". Destroyed good cars and trucks just so they could sell new ones.

I hated cash for clunkers and I hate the bullet train idea.
 
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Notice how every time government bureaucrats hatch one of these schemes, it's a disaster? Another such miracle (on a much smaller scale) of government-knows-better is the infamous Green Line light rail in LA county. It cost about a billion dollars, and connects two odd locations. Hardly anyone rides it. An economist figured out that it would be cheaper (in terms of government subsidies) to give everyone who wanted ride it cab fare instead, and cabs aren't cheap in LA. The one thing of value they could have done is link it up with LAX airport. Instead, because of bureaucratic turf wars, it stops one mile short.

The fundamental tenet of keynsianism, of which this stuff is an offshoot, as explained by keynes himself, is that people don't "know" what they should spend money on to get themselves out of a recession. The wise government types (who have never operated so much as a lemonade stand) - the people like obama, the "affirmative action" miracle out of Harvard, know better, so the money is taxed from people and spent on the "coirrect" things dreamed up by these dolts.

An example: obama's Solyndra solar energy debacle, which the government subsidized for half a billion dollars and went bankrupt because the stuff can be produced cheaper in china.

This happens over and over - the leftwingers figured they "knew better" than market forces who should get home loans - hence Bill Clinton's scheme to create the subprime market by having Fanny Mae cover trillions of dollars of home loans to unqualified borrowers, in service to his minority political clients.

We are living with the results, and will continue till all the leftwing hacks are driven from office.
 
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Patrick said:
Notice how every time government bureaucrats hatch one of these schemes, it's a disaster? Another such miracle (on a much smaller scale) of government-knows-better is the infamous Green Line light rail in LA county. It cost about a billion dollars, and connects two odd locations. Hardly anyone rides it. An economist figured out that it would be cheaper (in terms of government subsidies) to give everyone who wanted ride it cab fare instead, and cabs aren't cheap in LA. The one thing of value they could have done is link it up with LAX airport. Instead, because of bureaucratic turf wars, it stops one mile short.

The fundamental tenet of keynsianism, of which this stuff is an offshoot, as explained by keynes himself, is that people don't "know" what they should spend money on to get themselves out of a recession. The wise government types (who have never operated so much as a lemonade stand) - the people like obama, the "affirmative action" miracle out of Harvard, know better, so the money is taxed from people and spent on the "coirrect" things dreamed up by these dolts.

An example: obama's Solyndra solar energy debacle, which the government subsidized for half a billion dollars and went bankrupt because the stuff can be produced cheaper in china.

This happens over and over - the leftwingers figured they "knew better" than market forces who should get home loans - hence Bill Clinton's scheme to create the subprime market by having Fanny Mae cover trillions of dollars of home loans to unqualified borrowers, in service to his minority political clients.

We are living with the results, and will continue till all the leftwing hacks are driven from office.
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And yet without the gov't you wouldn't have microwaves, the Internet, jets, satellites, the Interstate System, fire and police departments that don't charge you to keep you safe, etc. The gov't gets it right more often then not.
 
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Patrick said:
California, which is currently in billions of dollars in debt from decades of spending money on illegal aliens and giving six-firgure salaries to run of the mill state government union employees, plans to build a bullet train for $98 billion. (Latest estimate, the estimate keeps going up.) The first leg will cost $6 billion, with most of it coming from the federal government, that is to say, YOU. (Unless you're one of the shiftless "99 percenters" who don't pay any taxes.)

What grand metropolises will this mighty train connect? Fresno and Chowchilla. Fresno is a rural city of 500,000 people that looks a lot smaller when you have the misfortune to be there. Chowchilla has 18,000 people, with its main claim to fame of having two california state women's prisons.

Yep, that's it. Eventually, they'll connect the major california population centers - san francisco and southern california. The local obamaistas say it will "create jobs". The estimated government subsidy per job "created" is $1 million per job. It'll get done in 25 years. Nobody will ride it - the current long haul Amtrak carries mostly illegal alien agricultural workers going back and forth from Mexico to the Central Valley. Meanwhile, you can get LA to san francisco round-trip air tickets for $120.
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Yep, its as stupid as dirt.

I know: I LIVE HERE!

Nobody except for illegals and convicts goes to Fresno and Chowchilla.
 
myp

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David said:
And yet without the gov't you wouldn't have microwaves, the Internet, jets, satellites, the Interstate System, fire and police departments that don't charge you to keep you safe, etc. The gov't gets it right more often then not.
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You would likely have those things- some most definitely. And fire and police departments DO charge you to keep you safe.

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Nobody except for illegals and convicts goes to Fresno and Chowchilla.
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That is ridiculous. People who attend FSU go to Fresno, people who have businesses in or work in Fresno and Chowchilla go there, etc.
 
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DodgeFB said:
Yeah that is right up there with blowing all that money on "cash for clunkers". Destroyed good cars and trucks just so they could sell new ones.

I hated cash for clunkers and I hate the bullet train idea.
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aether "cash for clunkers" or cash for bubbles that is what is in the political table .
 
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David said:
And yet without the gov't you wouldn't have microwaves, the Internet, jets, satellites, the Interstate System, fire and police departments that don't charge you to keep you safe, etc. The gov't gets it right more often then not.
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All the above is nonsense - it amounts to "if the government didn't do it, nobody else would have", for which (as usual) you offer not a shred of proof.

And it's just false. What we call the internet today is 99.999999% the result of private enterprise - the government's part was creating Arapanet, an extremely crude, slow, packet switching network for text messages with a few nodes. Comparing that to the internet is like comparing a pair of roller skates to a rolls royce. Also, the original fire departments in the US were private firms. Really, why don't you read some history books? Your knowledge continues to be limited only to a few standard lib slogans and faux history.
 
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That is ridiculous. People who attend FSU go to Fresno, people who have businesses in or work in Fresno and Chowchilla go there, etc.
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Mediate your theorizing with reality - get on the train and ride it. The notion that lots of people would ride a bullet train that goes through almost nothing but small rural towns is plain silly. Another thing analysts are saying now is that it wouldn't go exactly bullet fast. Ah, but why nitpick - it's "creating jobs". :p
 
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CatholicCrusader said:
I know this area dude.
Just stick with your East Coast freaks and don't tell my what I know
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You are ignorant and like to be that way. I can go to the FSU site and show you a few phds that work at the school. I am sure some are smarter than both of us. Stop stereotyping- you make yourself look like a bigot (or maybe you are).

And for the record, I don't support public high speed rail.
 
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You are ignorant and like to be that way. I can go to the FSU site and show you a few phds that work at the school. I am sure some are smarter than both of us. Stop stereotyping- you make yourself look like a bigot (or maybe you are).
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Whenever you talk about this area, of which you clearly know nothing, you say things that would make anyone who lives here laugh their ass off. What's there almost isn't worth highways anymore, much less a bullet train. The sacramento valley, the upper half of california's huge central valley, is practically a desert now - the former lush agriculture there has been devastated by the fact that local leftwing ecofascists got a court order to stop pumping water to farmers to protect the delta smelt, a four inch long trash fish. Result: hundreds of thousands of acres taken out of production, thousands and thousands of people losing their jobs, including your beloved illegal aliens.

Bigot definition: someone who tells things like they are, even it contradicts leftwing othodoxy. :p
 
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myp said:
You are ignorant and like to be that way...........
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So, not only do you know what things are like in my back yard, sitting way over there on the gay coast, but now you are a mind-reader and know what I think and what I like.

Okay then: What number am I thinking of right now?
 
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CatholicCrusader said:
So, not only do you know what things are like in my back yard, sitting way over there on the gay coast, but now you are a mind-reader and know what I think and what I like.

Okay then: What number am I thinking of right now?
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You have San Francisco, San Diego and Hollywood. Just saying. ;)
 
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CatholicCrusader said:
So, not only do you know what things are like in my back yard, sitting way over there on the gay coast, but now you are a mind-reader and know what I think and what I like.

Okay then: What number am I thinking of right now?
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I don't have to be in Cali to know that there are some smart people in Fresno ;)
 
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