Holder says "Gun Owners Should Cower in Shame."

myp

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"No clue" is subjective in the way you are using it. In reality, anyone who makes it to those positions in modern times like does have at least some clue.

Also, I haven't checked the latest numbers, but I am pretty confident that his administration approval numbers are well above Congress's which are near all-time lows (and lower than the approval rate for communism according to polls from Gallup).
 
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tecoyah

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I have always felt the extrapolation of comment serves to limit understanding. In context his comments seemed far less damaging:

""What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that's not cool, that it's not acceptable, it's not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we’ve changed our attitudes about cigarettes. You know, when I was growing up, people smoked all the time. Both my parents did. But over time, we changed the way that people thought about smoking, so now we have people who cower outside of buildings and kind of smoke in private and don’t want to admit it.” Laughter followed."
 
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myp said:
"No clue" is subjective in the way you are using it. In reality, anyone who makes it to those positions in modern times like does have at least some clue.

Also, I haven't checked the latest numbers, but I am pretty confident that his administration approval numbers are well above Congress's which are near all-time lows (and lower than the approval rate for communism according to polls from Gallup).
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I should correct myself his staff consisted of people with no experience running a country. I should have been more precise. I am talking about Valerie Jarrett, Samantha Power I believe her name is. Valerie Jarrett being the main one he listens too. IMHO she has more power then any other person in The White House. So my apologies I was not referencing Holder.

Holder on the other hand is just an idiot.
 
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tecoyah said:
I have always felt the extrapolation of comment serves to limit understanding. In context his comments seemed far less damaging:

""What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that's not cool, that it's not acceptable, it's not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we’ve changed our attitudes about cigarettes. You know, when I was growing up, people smoked all the time. Both my parents did. But over time, we changed the way that people thought about smoking, so now we have people who cower outside of buildings and kind of smoke in private and don’t want to admit it.” Laughter followed."
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Granted you are correct though. As a whole the statement does not seem that bad. Though people feel he is implying they should be ashamed to own guns. This is one time and one area you need to tread carefully one. This is like race. People take one thing you say and you have meant it a different way but still looks like you are implying something else.
 
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tecoyah

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chris7375 said:
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Holder on the other hand is just an idiot.
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Damn...Wish I was an Idiot:

"
After graduating from law school, Holder joined the U.S. Justice Department's new Public Integrity Section during an interval lasting from 1976 to 1988. During his time there, he assisted in the prosecution of Democratic Congressman John Jenrette for bribery discovered in the Abscam sting operation.[9] In 1988, President Ronald Reagan appointed Holder to serve as a judge of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia.[10]
Holder stepped down from the bench in 1993 to accept an appointment as United States Attorney for the District of Columbia from President Bill Clinton. He was the first black American U.S. Attorney in that office.[7] At the beginning of his tenure, he oversaw the conclusion of the corruption case against Dan Rostenkowski, part of the Congressional Post Office scandal.[9] He was a U.S. Attorney until his elevation to Deputy Attorney General in 1997. Holder also served on The George Washington University's Board of Trustees in 1996 and 1997."
 
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tecoyah said:
Damn...Wish I was an Idiot:

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After graduating from law school, Holder joined the U.S. Justice Department's new Public Integrity Section during an interval lasting from 1976 to 1988. During his time there, he assisted in the prosecution of Democratic Congressman John Jenrette for bribery discovered in the Abscam sting operation.[9] In 1988, President Ronald Reagan appointed Holder to serve as a judge of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia.[10]
Holder stepped down from the bench in 1993 to accept an appointment as United States Attorney for the District of Columbia from President Bill Clinton. He was the first black American U.S. Attorney in that office.[7] At the beginning of his tenure, he oversaw the conclusion of the corruption case against Dan Rostenkowski, part of the Congressional Post Office scandal.[9] He was a U.S. Attorney until his elevation to Deputy Attorney General in 1997. Holder also served on The George Washington University's Board of Trustees in 1996 and 1997."
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Oh I know his resume and it is impressive. Though does not me I have to think he is qualified for the current job he is holding.

Fast and Furious scandal

Attorney General Eric Holder became the first Obama administration official to be held in contempt by a congressional panel.

Though he was cleared of any wrong doing in the Scandal his handling of it was less the professional.
 
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tecoyah

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chris7375 said:
Granted you are correct though. As a whole the statement does not seem that bad. Though people feel he is implying they should be ashamed to own guns. This is one time and one area you need to tread carefully one. This is like race. People take one thing you say and you have meant it a different way but still looks like you are implying something else.
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That is what I mean...when we place our own imagined implied meaning over what was actually stated it loses the meaning, and thus lessens the data. The Fast & Furious fiasco is a thread unto itself but in a nutshell...he certainly seemed deceitful, though I am not privy to the details as to why.
 
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tecoyah said:
That is what I mean...when we place our own imagined implied meaning over what was actually stated it loses the meaning, and thus lessens the data. The Fast & Furious fiasco is a thread unto itself but in a nutshell...he certainly seemed deceitful, though I am not privy to the details as to why.
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I will agree with you am I mad at his statement no not really. I already though he was an idiot to begin with. Though he has a first class resume that still does not make him qualified for the job (not saying he isn't either I am being general). His resume is impressive though I would have to see if he obtained them via qualification or if he was a product of Affirmative Action.

You are correct F&F is a thread unto its own though his handling of it is what has shown me he is not qualified for the position he holds.
 
David

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myp said:
"No clue" is subjective in the way you are using it. In reality, anyone who makes it to those positions in modern times like does have at least some clue.

Also, I haven't checked the latest numbers, but I am pretty confident that his administration approval numbers are well above Congress's which are near all-time lows (and lower than the approval rate for communism according to polls from Gallup).
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Really? I'd want a link for that. I believe you, I just want the link to pass around. :p
 
David

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myp

myp

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David said:
I'm a socialist, any operatunity to remind Americans they actually like socialism isn't something I'm going to pass up. "Americans love socialism but they hate the label."

Ah, never mind. You used the HP, I'd never be taken seriously if I tried using this. lol
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Like I said this was after you asked and I googled it. I originally saw it elsewhere- can't remember where, I think Reuters though. Either way the data comes from Gallup, so you can probably find it on their site.
 
Protectionist

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tecoyah said:
I have always felt the extrapolation of comment serves to limit understanding. In context his comments seemed far less damaging:

""What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that's not cool, that it's not acceptable, it's not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we’ve changed our attitudes about cigarettes. You know, when I was growing up, people smoked all the time. Both my parents did. But over time, we changed the way that people thought about smoking, so now we have people who cower outside of buildings and kind of smoke in private and don’t want to admit it.” Laughter followed."
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The words "...that it's not acceptable..." ...to carry a gun anymore" can be very misleading. This is one of these statements that smart politicians avoid like the plague.

Holder probably was referring to the gangsta kids who run around with guns in their pockets, and use them criminally, or just to be cool, as a sort of dumb cultural thing, Problem is, while saying this, he seems to have inadvertantly included everyone who carries a gun, including law abiding people with licenses, and who contribute to LESSENING crime this way (if only the Sandy Hook teachers would have had them).
 
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tecoyah

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I have always felt the extrapolation of comment serves to limit understanding.
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As stated...by extrapolating and removing context from the comments, the understanding is compromised and the meaning is lost. In context the statement is very hard to dismiss, let alone use as ammunition against the man...therefore those who wish to attack must remove the context and make up a new one.

Purely Dishonest.
 
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