Origin of AIDS?

The Parakeet · May 27, 2009

Actually it has a bit to do with anal. The action tends to cause micro tears which causes minor amounts of bleeding. This almost guarantees an environment where AIDS can transfer.

Same things happens with all other forms of sex though, just not as often.

The community certainly helped it spread and get a foothold though. Sort of a perfect storm. I imagine that it would have had similar results if it had gotten a foothold in swinger society first.

Edit: Plus there obviously wasn't much protection (of any form) being used. No real reason for it until AIDS was already a firestorm.

curious · Jun 21, 2009

We can see how new diseases arise when we look at the flu virus. It mutates so fast and in so many different ways that we have a code for it, rather than a name.

A virus can hang around forever in a small population, gradually mutating, maybe combining with other viruses, until it has changed into something that humans can catch.

As far as the timing goes, 1981 was when it arrived in the US. We owe a debt of gratitude to the doctors who recognized the problem and reported it to the CDC. It was found very, very early. It started in Africa earlier, and probably jumped to humans as the population of Africa expanded rapidly and people moved into more remote areas. The sixties and seventies saw increased delivery of medical care to Africa, resulting in increased population growth as more babies survived to adulthood.

deanhills · Jun 23, 2009

curious said:
We can see how new diseases arise when we look at the flu virus. It mutates so fast and in so many different ways that we have a code for it, rather than a name.

Agreed. And this is very very scary. I wonder whether the overpopulation of the world and the way that we are using livestock in overpopulated areas of the world have an influence on this. They are talking about a pandemic flu (doubt the swine flu counts as one) and that it should be hitting about now. One thing for sure, with the media hype about the swine flu (relative to the milder effects it had in the end), they are talking themselves into the BIG pandemic flu.

curious · Jun 25, 2009

It turns out the word 'pandemic' has nothing to do with the seriousness of the disease. It merely refers to the extent and speed of the spread of the disease.

One of the reasons AIDS spread so far is that it is asymptomatic for a long time, but can be spread during that period. By the time the disease is discoverd, a huge population is already infected, showing no symptoms, and continuing to spread it.

The nightmare scenario would be a disease that is airborne or spread through indirect contact, the way flus are, but doesn't make you sick for a month. By the time the new disease was discoverd, it would be too late to prevent a massiv die-off.

deanhills · Jun 28, 2009

curious said:
It turns out the word 'pandemic' has nothing to do with the seriousness of the disease. It merely refers to the extent and speed of the spread of the disease.

One of the reasons AIDS spread so far is that it is asymptomatic for a long time, but can be spread during that period. By the time the disease is discoverd, a huge population is already infected, showing no symptoms, and continuing to spread it.

The nightmare scenario would be a disease that is airborne or spread through indirect contact, the way flus are, but doesn't make you sick for a month. By the time the new disease was discoverd, it would be too late to prevent a massiv die-off.

Could be as simple too as pyramid marketing. One person infecting another, and that person others. It's really bad in South Africa. Babies born with HIV. It's totally entrenched.

curious · Jun 29, 2009

deanhills said:
Could be as simple too as pyramid marketing. One person infecting another, and that person others..

Exactly. The South Africa situation is really amazing. They had very little AIDS when it first became serious in Africa. Because their trade with other African nations, the international truck drivers who spread it through the rest of Africa stopped in Zambia or Zimbabwe. Once Mandela was president, the restrictions were lifted, and the truckers came through. Meanwhile, the society had developed the idea they were somehow immune, and there had been no safe sex campaigns.

deanhills · Jun 30, 2009

curious said:
Exactly. The South Africa situation is really amazing. They had very little AIDS when it first became serious in Africa. Because their trade with other African nations, the international truck drivers who spread it through the rest of Africa stopped in Zambia or Zimbabwe. Once Mandela was president, the restrictions were lifted, and the truckers came through. Meanwhile, the society had developed the idea they were somehow immune, and there had been no safe sex campaigns.

Where did you get this information from? Tens of thousands had already died from AIDS by the time that Mandela became President (1% of the total population). It was already a problem in the eighties. Worst hit in South Africa was in Kwa Zulu, Pietermaritzburg and Durban, where there was immediately a generation created of orphans. Large hospitals full of babies and young children without mothers and fathers.

When Mandela took Government, 1% of the South African population had AIDS and it was proliferating because of sexual relations of the existing population which already had aids. Granted that some must have come from neighbouring countries, especially Zimbabwe, that had a higher incidence, but people were infecting one another at an alarming rate. It then took really off, as regrettably Mandela's Government stalled on active support for HIV programmes, so by 1996 the figure was 3% and by 1999 10%. It finally clicked in 2000 (under Mbeki Government) and the Government then actively started on working on preventive measures. Part of the reason that Mandela's Government did little for AIDS is because during the apartheid days, ANC advocated that the AIDS measures to have protective sex was a ploy by the White Government to get black people to have less children. In other words it was political and of course reluctance to invest money in a preventive measure that was not clearly understood by everyone. However when the numbers got to 10%, everyone got completely focussed and right now it has the Government fully behind HIV programmes.

curious · Jun 30, 2009

Well, AIds infection was at 10.8% in 2007, and the prenatal rate was at 28%. 1% qualifies as very little, I think.

deanhills · Jul 2, 2009

curious said:
Well, AIds infection was at 10.8% in 2007, and the prenatal rate was at 28%. 1% qualifies as very little, I think.

Population is approx 36-million plus. So 1% has to be 360,000? Multiplication at that number has to be enormous.

Black Angel · Jun 1, 2010

GekiDan said:
I have heard that a vaccine or medicine have already been made for Influenza A H1N1. And if you self medicate it, it will just make the virus immune to that medicine.

What I'm thinking is how does the monkey's blood been transfered to a human. they can't just put the monkey's blood in a syringe and inject it on a human, isn't it?

It started with Chimpanzees, as they were a source of meat for the poor. One day a man caught and killed a chimp that was infected with SIV, which is the primate form of HIV and did not know it and possibly injured himself while prepping the meat, and became infected. Inside his body, that SIV virus mutated into HIV which was what started AIDS. Of course that man ended up infected with AIDS, and unknowingly spread it to those he had been with..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simian_immunodeficiency_virus

Dirk · Jun 1, 2010

Black Angel said:
It started with Chimpanzees, as they were a source of meat for the poor. One day a man caught and killed a chimp that was infected with SIV, which is the primate form of HIV and did not know it and possibly injured himself while prepping the meat, and became infected. Inside his body, that SIV virus mutated into HIV which was what started AIDS. Of course that man ended up infected with AIDS, and unknowingly spread it to those he had been with..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simian_immunodeficiency_virus

Exactly right. Thank you.

I think it's pretty sick, all these conspiracy theories.

jdsingle · Jun 4, 2010

Black Angel said:
It started with Chimpanzees, as they were a source of meat for the poor. One day a man caught and killed a chimp that was infected with SIV, which is the primate form of HIV and did not know it and possibly injured himself while prepping the meat, and became infected. Inside his body, that SIV virus mutated into HIV which was what started AIDS. Of course that man ended up infected with AIDS, and unknowingly spread it to those he had been with..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simian_immunodeficiency_virus

Haha, nothing like using wikipedia as a reliable source

From my memory though, that sounds along the same lines. I think the fabled myth is some sex crazed man had sex with a chimpanzee and got it that way.

Dirk · Jun 6, 2010

jdsingle said:
Haha, nothing like using wikipedia as a reliable source From my memory though, that sounds along the same lines. I think the fabled myth is some sex crazed man had sex with a chimpanzee and got it that way.

Naww, some people just can't control their fantasies.

That's more like it, yeah?

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