Question for athiests

May 2010
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So here is my question for athiests: Do you believe in free will? Do you believe in a soul or spirit and if you do what do you think will become of your spirit when you pass aways?
 
Apr 2009
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So here is my question for athiests: Do you believe in free will?

In a sense. I believe that our will is not determined by supernatural influences, but I do think that there are other influences, on the social level, like capitalism, authority, the media, or public prejudice, as well as upbringing, which limit the extent that we are masters of our own destiny. It's not so simple a matter.

Do you believe in a soul or spirit and if you do what do you think will become of your spirit when you pass aways?

Not really, no, though there are a number of people I would take great pleasure in haunting. :rolleyes:
 
Aug 2010
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So here is my question for athiests: Do you believe in free will? Do you believe in a soul or spirit and if you do what do you think will become of your spirit when you pass aways?

I'm not an atheist, but close enough to count I think:
Free will: - I think free will exists as far as not being controlled by a person/entity. Inregards to 'destiny'....that's a little different to me.
Spirit/soul - I think it exists in as much as it's a form of energy, but nothing like 'a second person who will live in either heaven or hell'.
 
Aug 2010
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So here is my question for athiests: Do you believe in free will? Do you believe in a soul or spirit and if you do what do you think will become of your spirit when you pass aways?

Yes

Yes

No clue - we haven't had many come and tell us what is like

In a sense. I believe that our will is not determined by supernatural influences, but I do think that there are other influences, on the social level, like capitalism, authority, the media, or public prejudice, as well as upbringing, which limit the extent that we are masters of our own destiny. It's not so simple a matter.

That speaks to opportunity and resources; not free will.

That I cannot buy Poland is not a restriction of my free will - just of my resources.
 
Apr 2009
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That speaks to opportunity and resources; not free will.

That I cannot buy Poland is not a restriction of my free will - just of my resources.

Not my meaning. Let's take consumerism as an example. Particularly young people are pressured by the media, by society, and by their peers to conform to ever-changing fashion trends. Or take the example of the idealisation of unhealthy weights in the media, the resulting objectification of women, and the pressure to be a certain way, to dress a certain way, act a certain way. All of these take on a social dimension that restricts free will.
 
Aug 2010
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Not my meaning. Let's take consumerism as an example. Particularly young people are pressured by the media, by society, and by their peers to conform to ever-changing fashion trends. Or take the example of the idealisation of unhealthy weights in the media, the resulting objectification of women, and the pressure to be a certain way, to dress a certain way, act a certain way. All of these take on a social dimension that restricts free will.

no, they indicate weak will

using your example of preferred shape/size etc of women... the media does not dictate that, nor do producers of clothing etc

if it were true then they would find the most common shape/form/look etc and use that as their idealized model so that more women would immediately identify
 
Aug 2010
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no, they indicate weak will

using your example of preferred shape/size etc of women... the media does not dictate that, nor do producers of clothing etc

if it were true then they would find the most common shape/form/look etc and use that as their idealized model so that more women would immediately identify

Fashion is all about making money off of an image. Currently (and for some time now) the trend has been thin and skinny model (most of which aren't that attracive for some reason) with the pouty look. And these fashion designers are the ones that get the publicity. There is a struggling trend for plus size models (as they call them), it's catching on but slowly.

We artists are a unique bunch with unique ways of thinking about things. Which aren't typically the norm or standard most of society flows with. Fashion designers are artists and they work on producing ideal art. The people they work for (assuming they aren't independent) dictate what is actually made for the public.
 
Aug 2010
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Fashion is all about making money off of an image. Currently (and for some time now) the trend has been thin and skinny model (most of which aren't that attracive for some reason) with the pouty look. And these fashion designers are the ones that get the publicity. There is a struggling trend for plus size models (as they call them), it's catching on but slowly.

If they were all about making money why in the world wouldn't they find the body type with the largest number of people in that class and customize their model on that type?

Because people hold in their heads an ideal - advertisers use that ideal - they do not create it.
 
Aug 2010
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If they were all about making money why in the world wouldn't they find the body type with the largest number of people in that class and customize their model on that type?

Because people hold in their heads an ideal - advertisers use that ideal - they do not create it.

One reason is that they (fashion designers) feel their clothes look better on thinner people than on larger people. There's a reason why designers sketch and design for skinny women. It's the producers of the clothes that are the ones that decide what is to be mass produced.
Companys don't typically exists to make people happy, they exist to make money. Period.
Outside of America, many (most?) people are relatively thin (in general) thus making it more profitable to make clothes for skinnier people than larger people.
Another reason: people have been telling us, via advertising, TV, movies, etc that thin is beautiful. Sometimes it is. Other time's it's not. Decades ago, the fuller figured woman the "in" look. That has changed. And it probably will again.
Does fashion follow society, or vice versa....?
Probably it's a bit of both...
 
Aug 2010
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interesting points

you've probably read this too

while the size may vary what remains relatively constant are ratios of proportion
 
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