Reptilians, Greys, Pleiades, Andromedes, Humans. Are they really all real?

Nah, the reptilians are just the enemies of the Greys, far as i know.

51, serious? I only know of A-C types. What's your source, man?

Weren't there also reports of Greys communicating verbally, though?

What about the 8-foot tall Nordic-type Homonids?

I'm keeping my eyes out for the Klingons.

It's far from impossible, and statistically it is almost certain. It looks like planets are pretty common things. If there are, on average, a hundred billion stars in a galaxy, and a hundred billion galaxies, and one in every million stars has life, and one in every million of those has intelligent life, we are talking about a hundred million planets with intelligent life. The thing is, the chances of encountering them are slim to none.

Yes. It's really hard to travel from one galaxy to another in just a matter of minutes or hours. It will take you years or even decades to do so. But in what I have seen on a documentary, there are certain sightings of aliens although many don't believe that. And I remember that documentary that interviews an alien lifeform. Anyone here have seen that? Just like I said earlier, experts dont believe that man and the said aliens are just puppets...

Reptilians are scary to me. Even the ones we have on earth are quite lethal. Look at crocodiles. They do not think when they see humans, they only kill. Sort of an instinct of the species.

GekiDan said:

Yes. It's really hard to travel from one galaxy to another in just a matter of minutes or hours. It will take you years or even decades to do so. But in what I have seen on a documentary, there are certain sightings of aliens although many don't believe that. And I remember that documentary that interviews an alien lifeform. Anyone here have seen that? Just like I said earlier, experts dont believe that man and the said aliens are just puppets...

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It will take years just to get to Mars. The nearest star is 4.3 light years away. That means that if we could travel at the speed of light, which is impossible, it would take 4.3 years to get there. The nearest galaxy is 2 million light years away, so it would take that long to get there at the speed of light. A decade is just ten years, which will get you a few round trips to Mars.

curious said:

It will take years just to get to Mars. The nearest star is 4.3 light years away. That means that if we could travel at the speed of light, which is impossible, it would take 4.3 years to get there. The nearest galaxy is 2 million light years away, so it would take that long to get there at the speed of light. A decade is just ten years, which will get you a few round trips to Mars.

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Really? I thought it was 9 months with current tech? (3 with atomics). But yeah, i get what you mean, it took the probes years to reach the edge of the Sol JH system, let alone how long it will take to get through the thousands/millions of systems to the edge of the Galaxy (since we live so near the edge). But then people are working on other tech to bypass the light barrier, rather than exceed it.

Thing is, the closer you get to the speed of light, the more time dilation there is, so you can travel for like twenty years and have aged about an hour. Subjective and objective time.

Then you got wormholes, which are basically tears in the essence of space-time, which gets you somewhere else instantaneously.

Plus, there's a theory that you can distort space-time to travel faster distances in shorter time...

Wow, i read way too much sci-fi.

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Really? I thought it was 9 months with current tech? (3 with atomics). But yeah, i get what you mean, it took the probes years to reach the edge of the Sol JH system, let alone how long it will take to get through the thousands/millions of systems to the edge of the Galaxy (since we live so near the edge). But then people are working on other tech to bypass the light barrier, rather than exceed it.

Thing is, the closer you get to the speed of light, the more time dilation there is, so you can travel for like twenty years and have aged about an hour. Subjective and objective time.

Then you got wormholes, which are basically tears in the essence of space-time, which gets you somewhere else instantaneously.

Plus, there's a theory that you can distort space-time to travel faster distances in shorter time...

Wow, i read way too much sci-fi.

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I think it is high time that they move faster on renewable energy sources. Right now it seems to be a luxury kind of research effort. As long as we stick with the traditional fossil fuels I can't imagine that we are going to make progress with travelling long distances in space. Recently there were reports in the press about fusion energy. Yet they seem to be moving so slow on research. Why can't they speed it up a little? Dirk, do you know whether there are any projects in Germany with fusion energy or other renewable energy projects?

How can we dismiss visits from et's as being totally rediculous? If there are planets out there in space that can harbor life and intelligent life developed 2 million years before it did on earth than it is very possible that they have visited us.

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How can we dismiss visits from et's as being totally rediculous? If there are planets out there in space that can harbor life and intelligent life developed 2 million years before it did on earth than it is very possible that they have visited us.

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And decided we weren't worth talking to and left.

Dirk -

We really can't ever go faster than the speed of light. Physics just breaks down in that case...so...yeah...not sure what would happen. The absolute fastest that we could reach the nearest star would be 4.3 years of travel though.

The time dilution doesn't really help us either. The people on the ship would only age 4.3 years, while everything outside of their pocket aged much faster. The distance would contract to a point...but it still wouldn't help much. The gravity such energy would create would also be ridiculous and probably spaghettify anyone on the ship.

Wormholes are an option. There also might be some way to effectively fold space, but that's a long ways out and tends to be more sci-fi than anything we could dream of.

An important note would be to remember the delay in communication though. Information can't travel faster than the speed of light, so just getting a message to them would take 4.3 years (you can observe this by listening to the one-second delay in the moon landing recordings).

PingPong - We can dismiss most of these reports because they are ridiculous and without merit.

Yes...they could have visited us. None of the reported cases are actually credible though if you really look into them.

Example: Just look at the stated aliens

Reptilians - Theorhetically possible. It's actually likely that alien life would be reptilian, since we were a special case. Normally, the reptile species wouldn't be wiped out to allow the mammals to thrive.

Haven't really heard many reports about them though. Just conspiracy theorists who got tired of saying zionist.

Greys - Based solely on a vision of a human-like alien. Interesting, isn't it. A strange alien with "2 million years" of growth looks just like our flawed design (with weird eyes and no nose).

Pretty easy to see that this is a human vision of an alien (and one that sci-fi had been using for years before the first big push from the American UFO movement).

This is easy to see by looking at other reports from foreign countries. Europeans have tall and slender aliens, modeled after their ideals of beauty. We have strange and technology based types. Going around the world shows that each alien is clearly a product of the human mind and the culture its immersed in.

There's also the saddest note, which is that a society that has the technology making it possible to travel through space rapidly, would have great warmaking technology. Logic would dictate that they probably killed each other off in a great war before they could ever find and reach us.

There's a ridiculous number of planets out there. What are the chances that they'd be able to find us. The vastness of the universe goes both ways, remember.

The Parakeet said:

The time dilution doesn't really help us either. The people on the ship would only age 4.3 years, while everything outside of their pocket aged much faster. The distance would contract to a point...but it still wouldn't help much. The gravity such energy would create would also be ridiculous and probably spaghettify anyone on the ship.

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Only for acceleration. Have you considered gel cushioning? The point is, we can achieve a long distance in a human life-time. Sort of.

The Parakeet said:

Wormholes are an option. There also might be some way to effectively fold space, but that's a long ways out and tends to be more sci-fi than anything we could dream of.

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Well, black holes might be a natural example of this. We copy natural phenomena all the time. Sycamore leaves inspired helicopters, for example. If we develop the technology to manipulate the collapse of a star, we can create a wormhole to our specifications.

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PingPong - We can dismiss most of these reports because they are ridiculous and without merit.

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Why? A lot of the reports are consistent with details. Do you have any proof for your point? This is just an opinion.

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There's also the saddest note, which is that a society that has the technology making it possible to travel through space rapidly, would have great warmaking technology. Logic would dictate that they probably killed each other off in a great war before they could ever find and reach us.

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However, you'd hope that an alien race's society would have developed along with their technology.

The Parakeet said:

There's a ridiculous number of planets out there. What are the chances that they'd be able to find us. The vastness of the universe goes both ways, remember.

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To a limited extent, radio waves? Though they'd have to be in our neighbourhood of the Orion Arm. So that mostly holds.

Sorry for being a little late. Had to take a break for schoolwork.

Travel

I'm not sure about all the theories for travel. It takes a good bit of focus for me to keep the basics straight in my mind. Anything's possible, but long range travel has a lot of issues.

Black holes are fairly disconcerting though. We actually don't know how they work once you are inside. It would seem that they just crush/stretch/rip/spaghettify everything into a singularity...which modern physics can't even comprehend. it would take one heck of a ship to actually survive the force of gravity...and very special people to survive the force as well. We have trouble adjusting to travel underwater. I'm not too optimistic about humans surviving anything else.

Aliens

I guess it depends on what side of the equation we are looking at as to how ridiculous it is. They are often consistent, which doesn't help. It hurts them. Most of these consistent stories are consistent with explainable stuff.

Actual Aliens

Well, most of them are ridiculously easy to explain. I haven't heard many stories that aren't falsely recovered memories or misinterpreted night terrors. Why else do you think the aliens all look similar and have a number of consistent features.

Sagan put it best. Describing a real alien would be like trying to describe a parrot to someone who had never even seen a bird before.

UFOs

Funny coincidence. I just saw a report on this on another site. It sums up a lot of the issues I'd have with UFO reports.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morristown_UFO

I used to believe in most of these theories. Once I really looked into them, they just didn't hold together. I actually spent about 2 weeks just reading about these incidents as part of a seminar on Strange Beliefs. It surprisingly was usually weather balloons, gas, atmospheric interference, or military testing that caused the sightings. Just the human mind trying to make sense of weird things.

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Them Finding Us

If I remember, the big problem is that radio waves really break up quickly. It would take a directed beam of communication acting as a beacon for them to find us. As far as I know, we haven't done this. You accounted for that though. Again, they wouldn't get it for years though. It would take 4.3 years to reach the nearest star. We'll probably be dead before they can find and interpret it.

To end on a hopeful note, there might be something out there sending a beacon. One cool thing in astronomy is the WOW signal. Radio telescopes have been picking up a seemingly random "Wow" sound every once in a while. They chalked it up to interference at first, but a study showed that all the WOW signals were coming from one basic area. It might be some periodic beacon. There might be at least one race out there hoping we find them.

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Them Finding Us

If I remember, the big problem is that radio waves really break up quickly. It would take a directed beam of communication acting as a beacon for them to find us. As far as I know, we haven't done this. You accounted for that though. Again, they wouldn't get it for years though. It would take 4.3 years to reach the nearest star. We'll probably be dead before they can find and interpret it.

To end on a hopeful note, there might be something out there sending a beacon. One cool thing in astronomy is the WOW signal. Radio telescopes have been picking up a seemingly random "Wow" sound every once in a while. They chalked it up to interference at first, but a study showed that all the WOW signals were coming from one basic area. It might be some periodic beacon. There might be at least one race out there hoping we find them.

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I have read on some book before that they have made a CD that contains all languages spoken on Earth and when there's a UFO sighting, they always play it and if they are lucky enough, they could get a response. Any news about this item? Are they still using it at this time of new technology?

I haven't heard of that one. It would possibly work, if they were close by.

I had heard that NASA sent out an introduction message on a satellite about 25 years ago. Just in case there was anyone poking around the Solar System.

For communication, just convert everything into numbers and elemental symbols. Anyone with the tech for interstellar flight would need to know all that stuff anyway. They look at it all, compare it to written and spoken samples and vela, they can speak/read our language (or at least can program their computers to translate everything). The trick is to not use Human forms of these things. For example 4 beeps instead of the number 4 or the visual form of a water molecule instead of H2O.

As for being visited... Doubt it. If you discovered a species that would just as soon dissect you, run tests on you, eat you and kill you (in that order even) as say hi, would you reveal yourself? If you're sane, you say, "Screw this!" and fly your ass back home.

David said:

As for being visited... Doubt it. If you discovered a species that would just as soon dissect you, run tests on you, eat you and kill you (in that order even) as say hi, would you reveal yourself? If you're sane, you say, "Screw this!" and fly your ass back home.

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Probably a good point. However, keep in mind "curiosity".

That's what probes are for. That I'm willing to believe have visited us but no aliens.

David said:

That's what probes are for. That I'm willing to believe have visited us but no aliens.

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Though mind the vast quantity of encounters of all kinds that have been reported. It's difficult to dismiss something that's happened thousands of times within a single year.