When Was Jesus Really Born

Mar 2009
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So a lot of us know that Dec 25th isn't Jesus' real b-day, it's actually the birthday of the sun after the winter solstace on Dec 22nd. That holiday was celebrated before by sun worshippers and adapted as the date by Romans when they made christianity their religion. So this is an interesting article (several others like it online) which talks about Jesus' real birth date.
 
Jan 2009
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I think you forgot to include the link.

If Jesus was actually a single person, I believe it has been suggested that he was born around 64 BC (oh the irony... he was born 64 years before the birth of Christ). I think that linked up to a big stellar event that supposedly was extended to the whole wise men being guided by a star ideal.
 
May 2010
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If I remember correctly he was born around the fall.

This explains it so I guess I am remembering correctly lol:
http://cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/ARTB/k/568/When-Was-Jesus-Born.htm
There is additional proof that Jesus was born in the fall of the year. The census of Quirinius that required Joseph to travel from Galilee to Bethlehem would most probably have taken place after the fall harvest when people were more able to return to their ancestral homes (Luke 2:1-5). Besides, it was customary in Judea to do their tax collecting during this period, as the bulk of a farmer's income came at this time.
Another point is that Joseph and Mary had to find shelter in a barn or some other kind of animal shelter like a cave or grotto because the inns were full (verse 7). This indicates that the pilgrims from around the world had begun to arrive in Jerusalem and surrounding towns. Thus, the fall festival season had already commenced. There would have been no similar influx of pilgrims in December.
Also, as the shepherds were still in the fields with their flocks (verse 8), Jesus' birth could not have occurred during the cold-weather months of winter. Sheep were normally brought into centrally located pens or corrals as the weather turned colder and the rainy season began, especially at night. If this were not significant, it begs the question, "Why would Luke have mentioned it in such detail if not to convey a time reference?"
Christmas was chosen as a day because around that time all of the other religions were having similar celebrations. It was political IIRC. I believe the German pagans had a lot of influence, even to the point of the "Christmas Tree" we set up :).
 
Aug 2010
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Trivial, but to some, it could prove the biblical story right or wrong, depending on the actual date.

The bible doesn't give a date to be right or wrong.

The way it is estimated is with reference to other events like the census that took Mary and Joseph on their little trip.

Whether we know the exact date or not is trivial because it presumes God disappears if we don't get it perfectly. That's kinda like screwing up a spell by mispronouncing the last word.... "necktie!!"
 
Aug 2010
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Whether we know the exact date or not is trivial because it presumes God disappears if we don't get it perfectly. That's kinda like screwing up a spell by mispronouncing the last word.... "necktie!!"


I don't understand this statement. What do you mean by saying this? Explain:
 
Aug 2010
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I think this is a good idea to watch. It's part of a film, so if you're interested, it's called "The God That Wasn't There". Dare to challenge your beliefs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du5wJWlHAVI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_T_HDXqkMc

Here's the thing I find ironic. As a Christian I have imperfect faith. I doubt. Most atheists I know don't. They have decided God does not exist and that's that - see the thread titled "The fact that God does not exist" for evidence of this. So, who is more open minded? The doubting Christian or the certain atheist? Dare to challenge your beliefs indeed.
 
Aug 2010
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I don't understand this statement. What do you mean by saying this? Explain:

I was referencing a silly line from Army of Darkness where a character mispronounces a word in a spell and causes all sorts of problems.

Not knowing the exact date of Christ's birth doesn't cause all sorts of problems.

It troubles non-believers, imo, much mre than believers not to know precisely when he was born. Non-believers love to cite the obvious layering of the claimed birth date on top of pagan religious dates (true of easter too) as evidence that it is all a lot of hooey.

For Christians what is important is what he did for us - not what day of the year he was born.
 
Aug 2010
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I was referencing a silly line from Army of Darkness where a character mispronounces a word in a spell and causes all sorts of problems.

Not knowing the exact date of Christ's birth doesn't cause all sorts of problems.

It troubles non-believers, imo, much mre than believers not to know precisely when he was born. Non-believers love to cite the obvious layering of the claimed birth date on top of pagan religious dates (true of easter too) as evidence that it is all a lot of hooey.

For Christians what is important is what he did for us - not what day of the year he was born.

I haven't watched that movie in years!
True, it should only matter that Jesus was born (for believers) and not exactly when, however, if the exact date would contradict any biblical evidence, it would cause concern.
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