So if you watch the news you are aware of the many leaks occurring at or relating to the White House and President Trump.
So what do you think?
So what do you think?
your take on the leakers
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I find it likely that individuals within the Trump administration do not like the man or respect him as an individual. This has overcome the respect the office garners to the extent that when he says or proposes things that may be seen as detrimental or damaging to the country people are compelled to tell others out of concern and disgust.
in our partisan political climate, most see their opponents as proposing "detrimental an/or damaging things for the country".
So are leaks fair play if you feel your political opponent is proposing something wrong for your country?
Is that the broad criteria making leaks Ok?
As much as I like Mr. Trump and his entourage of intellectually challenged neophytes I think these “leaker” or “unnamed sources” within the White House should shut up and do their jobs. They serve the office of the President thus they should show respect to the office irrespective of what they think or feel. If they are not happy with the message or the office they should resign otherwise they are just frauds.
I was unaware that Donald Trump staffed up with his opponents...not a smart thing to do. But yes, I would do whatever I could to prevent damage to my country.
And replace them with who?
Very few people want to work for the guy, he is likely to stab in the back before he backs a bus over you.
The sticking point is of course "...damage to my country"
To some, any of these may fit that category:
- affordable health care
- capitalism
- pro-2nd Amendment
- abortion
- wars
- foreign aid
- "removing God from government"
- infringing on separation of church and state
- pro-illegal immigration policies
- anti-immigration policies
- free trade
- taxation without representation
- government programs
- etc...
note your rather different opinion about leaks when they ran counter to your particular political leanings:
http://politicalfray.com/current-events/6420-should-assange-eliminated.html
please note:
I am not saying you are a hypocrite or that your moral compass begins and ends with Donald Trump.
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Attempting to confuse and distract is an ineffective and obvious tactic used by those with no valid argument.
I'm taking you down a path to show you that your logical argument for leaking is anything but logical.
Okay lets play your game. Obviously every human on Earth has priorities that differ from every other. Politics fall under this as well and vary just as much. There are however certain aspects of the United States Constitution that are not up for debate and are considered sacred by "Patriotic" individuals. When these are compromised the reaction should be an attempt to prevent said compromise.
Though opinion certainly comes in to play in this, documented and clear data does as well. The office of the Presidency does not protect or excuse these actions and thus when they become an issue of concern they must be addressed. Choosing to ignore this or falling for the "Fake News" mantra is no excuse and if anything creates an impression of ignorance or disregard for what this country was founded on.
In short, there are many things this President does or says that run counter to hundreds of years of tradition and freedoms and decades of modern societal advancement. He also has fraudulent and dishonest tendencies well documented and verified by multiple sources and legal institutions. He has soiled the office and degraded the country both domestically and internationally.
For these reasons and others I would definitely "Leak" if he tried to do further damage.
Ummm..... He is AGAINST leaking. How did you FAIL to see that?
Your reading comprehension and ability to understand complex conversation makes it clear that you should not step into the adult room.
You comments shows you are quite clueless about the subject at hand!
You of course refer to the subject I have been discussing extensively in this thread until you decided to "drop in" and derail the discussion with your usual pointless diatribe?
you are narrowing your focus and that is good in my opinion. Previously, you argued for leaks based on proposals seen as detrimental or damaging to the country. very subjective and broad as anyone could say this of any president and likely have.
However, below you argue (correctly in my opinion) that a righteous cause for dissent, which may include leaks, would be based on a president whose actions run counter to or tear down the rights within the Constitution:
Unfortunately, your argument then veers off the rails of righteousness and lands full on in a dung heap of subjective opinion, completely unrelated to actions against the Constitution:
However, below you argue (correctly in my opinion) that a righteous cause for dissent, which may include leaks, would be based on a president whose actions run counter to or tear down the rights within the Constitution:
Bravo to you on that!
Unfortunately, your argument then veers off the rails of righteousness and lands full on in a dung heap of subjective opinion, completely unrelated to actions against the Constitution:
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The areas you say I am "Veering" are the opinions that direct my values. These will obviously differ from your own but are based very much on my reading of the Constitution. It is because of these values that you believe me to be a liberal Democrat but, they are the values once held by the Republican Party as documented by everyone who remembers Ronald Reagan.
Just curious, what would that be the constitutional element of your thought process?
Leaks by definition are a violation of gag orders and classification. It wouldn't be a leak if you could freely talk about it.
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