Is time travel ethical?

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Or nothing will change and you'll just create a parallel universe ie. the new Star Trek movie.
Good point! And be trapped in it as well. The idea of time travel has always been attractive to me as some form of escapism from our "cruel world", but all of a sudden what we have sounds much more attractive.
 
Apr 2009
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I always enjoy going into little "what-if" scenarios in my head. Some of the more interesting ones include:

What if Germany's nuclear programme had been successful first?

What if Scotland had voted against the Treaty of Union 1707?

What if the Spartacus Revolution of 1919 in Germany had been successful?

What if the "True Levellers" had been left alone?

What if Bismarck had been a socialist and gotten rid of the monarchy in Germany?

What if the Bolsheviks had been defeated by the Black Guards?
 
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@Dirk

What if Germany's nuclear programme had been successful first?
This is a no-brainer. England would have been immediately nixed. Next countries with oil would have been threatened for huge oil exports to Germany. The United States would have been forced to sign a surrender treaty.

What if Scotland had voted against the Treaty of Union 1707?
They would have been prosperous and would have been far more advanced than England. Probably in the end taken over England.

What if the "True Levellers" had been left alone?
They would have withered and died. They were too unselfish and uncompetitive to have been able to look after themselves properly. People would have started to bicker amongst themselves, and a number move off to set up settlements of their own elsewhere.

What if Bismarck had been a socialist and gotten rid of the monarchy in Germany?
Bismarck's nature in my opinion was incompatible with socialism. He also had lots of common sense. This "what if" has no reality base for me.

What if the Bolsheviks had been defeated by the Black Guards?
It would not have made a difference. There seems to have been a pattern of the victims becoming conquerors, and then being conquered by their victims ad finitum. There being dictators at the helm in perpetuity.
 
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@Dirk

What if the "True Levellers" had been left alone?
They would have withered and died. They were too unselfish and uncompetitive to have been able to look after themselves properly. People would have started to bicker amongst themselves, and a number move off to set up settlements of their own elsewhere.
I don't know, they did perfectly well for themselves. Incredibly well, all things considered (i.e. they were mostly peasants and workers).

What if Bismarck had been a socialist and gotten rid of the monarchy in Germany?
Bismarck's nature in my opinion was incompatible with socialism. He also had lots of common sense. This "what if" has no reality base for me.
Well, a republican, anyway.

A lot of socialists have a huge volume of common sense. My mother, for example.

What if the Bolsheviks had been defeated by the Black Guards?
It would not have made a difference. There seems to have been a pattern of the victims becoming conquerors, and then being conquered by their victims ad finitum. There being dictators at the helm in perpetuity.
The Black Guards? Dictatorship? Yeah right!
 
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A lot of socialists have a huge volume of common sense. My mother, for example.
Agreed. As politicians obviously tend to not have a lot of common sense, so won't stand a chance with socialism? They may want to use it, but it will always turn into something different.
 
Feb 2010
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I am a forward going guy - I prefer looking living in the present, preparing and looking towards the future, and learning from the mistakes of the past. I do not view time travel favorably. History has already been written, and even doing one thing slightly wrong could set off a cataclysmic chain reaction of events that would drastically alter the events proceeding - which means us, or this forum, would not even be here.

The only situation I would find time travel ethical is if I could go back maybe 20 seconds to save someone's life, but other than that, I prefer to go with the flow, if you know what I'm sayin'.
 
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The Truth is that it would be a complete disaster if humans ever invented time-travel. Humans are a diseased waste and deserve total extinction. Personally, I don't think time travel is possible. The whole idea seems implausible to Me.

I wonder if this is a time machine. I have seen the film "the time machine", and there was proof of any time machine even in it. I don't think time-travel is a purely scientific matter at all. How would they know if there was time travel?

Certainly, the time machine concept in that film was certainly nothing of the sort. It was simply called a time machine.

In principal, it may not be possible to detect time travel itself, as opposed to just the observe the outcome as we see in the film "the time machine".
 
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The Truth is that it would be a complete disaster if humans ever invented time-travel. Humans are a diseased waste and deserve total extinction. Personally, I don't think time travel is possible. The whole idea seems implausible to Me.

I wonder if this is a time machine. I have seen the film "the time machine", and there was proof of any time machine even in it. I don't think time-travel is a purely scientific matter at all. How would they know if there was time travel?

Certainly, the time machine concept in that film was certainly nothing of the sort. It was simply called a time machine.

In principal, it may not be possible to detect time travel itself, as opposed to just the observe the outcome as we see in the film "the time machine".
That seems like quite an odd line of text you propped up in there. Please explain your position on this. I used to have extreme views similar, but perhaps worse than this back in the early days, but I have since abandoned those views. Why are humans a diseased waste and deserve total extinction?

You're a human, and you're communicating with other humans on this Internet forum right now. This forum is operated and sustained by humans. Humans created you, created your computers and nurtured you for a great portion of your life. Why hate humans?
 
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That seems like quite an odd line of text you propped up in there. Please explain your position on this. I used to have extreme views similar, but perhaps worse than this back in the early days, but I have since abandoned those views. Why are humans a diseased waste and deserve total extinction?

You're a human, and you're communicating with other humans on this Internet forum right now. This forum is operated and sustained by humans. Humans created you, created your computers and nurtured you for a great portion of your life. Why hate humans?
This is off-topic. The point was that time-travel in the hands of humans would be a disaster. Perhaps contact Me via My website or post in the appropriate thread (or create one).
 
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This is off-topic. The point was that time-travel in the hands of humans would be a disaster. Perhaps contact Me via My website or post in the appropriate thread (or create one).
Well, you typed that in there first, so I just had to question it.

A mod will take the appropriate actions and deem those posts in whatever condition they may fall under.
 
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The Truth is that it would be a complete disaster if humans ever invented time-travel. Humans are a diseased waste and deserve total extinction. Personally, I don't think time travel is possible. The whole idea seems implausible to Me.

I wonder if this is a time machine. I have seen the film "the time machine", and there was proof of any time machine even in it. I don't think time-travel is a purely scientific matter at all. How would they know if there was time travel?

Certainly, the time machine concept in that film was certainly nothing of the sort. It was simply called a time machine.

In principal, it may not be possible to detect time travel itself, as opposed to just the observe the outcome as we see in the film "the time machine".
Science has proven that it's possible. Basically it works like this, the faster you travel at sub-light speeds, the feather and faster you travel into the future yet once you hit hyper-light speed, you travel into the past. The video I linked to explained this.
 
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Science has proven that it's possible. Basically it works like this, the faster you travel at sub-light speeds, the feather and faster you travel into the future yet once you hit hyper-light speed, you travel into the past. The video I linked to explained this.
Well, I still am not convinced. Science may well be correct in what you say, but the problem is I am not satisfied with what science gives as a time-travel definition. So the question is science has proven what possible? Time travel? I hardly think so - it proved X possible and then people called it time travel.

As I stated earlier, the film "the time machine" had such a machine. From what I saw of the film, the machine was in no way a time machine per se. This is because it was judged by its function, not by how it achieved its function.
 
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Well, I still am not convinced. Science may well be correct in what you say, but the problem is I am not satisfied with what science gives as a time-travel definition. So the question is science has proven what possible? Time travel? I hardly think so - it proved X possible and then people called it time travel.

As I stated earlier, the film "the time machine" had such a machine. From what I saw of the film, the machine was in no way a time machine per se. This is because it was judged by its function, not by how it achieved its function.
Say you start at noon on monday and get to 2 am on Wednesday. Now say it only took 2 seconds. I think it's safe to say you time traveled. And the planed time machine in the video is explained.
 
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Say you start at noon on monday and get to 2 am on Wednesday. Now say it only took 2 seconds. I think it's safe to say you time traveled. And the planed time machine in the video is explained.
No, that answer does not address the point I made. It's not good enough.

Now, I am not saying that it is, or is not, a time machine. You could call it that. Maybe it IS a time machine. But you miss the point.

The point is that you are just calling it a "time machine". You are not showing time, you are not showing what the machine does in principal. You are showing only what you presume a time machine would be able to do. You dont show what time is, and exactly how the machine would be able to travel through time, if indeed that is what it does.

The machine in "the time machine" never shows us conceptually that it can travel in time. I repeat - From what I saw of the film, the machine was in no way a time machine per se. This is because it was judged by its function, not by how it achieved its function.
 
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You dont show what time is, and exactly how the machine would be able to travel through time, if indeed that is what it does.
Time is the 4th spacial dimension. The ability to travel into the past requires hyper-light speed, an apparent impossibility. However, if spacetime is twisted ie. by a black hole, then this 'speed limit' can be ignored. This machine is designed to twist spacetime using powerful lasers which have been proven to twist spacetime, though the power needed hasn't yet been developed.
 
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impossible to answer

If time travel is possible then we go to a plain of new understanding and beliefs. To say whether it is ETHICAL right now is beyond our understanding as our current ethics and morals may be obsolete or irrelevant once time travel is perceived.
 
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Time is the 4th spacial dimension.
I know.

The ability to travel into the past requires hyper-light speed, an apparent impossibility.
You have not even got there yet. You dont know what time travel is yet.

However, if spacetime is twisted ie. by a black hole, then this 'speed limit' can be ignored.
Irrelevant.

This machine is designed to twist spacetime using powerful lasers which have been proven to twist spacetime, though the power needed hasn't yet been developed.
See, already it has been "proven" even though its not been done. Frankly, I did not watch the video because "Unsolved Mysteries" is a not a good source, its too long, and My video player has trouble with it.

Atoms are "proven", but we cannot actually see atoms. It 'proof by proxy' - and now there is talk that it's all energy and we only interpret them as atoms. Yet, how can one interpret something we cannot directly see? I dont have confidence in these scientific findings. It seems to Me that scientists know how to get things done, they know how. They dont know why, and often dont know what.

Exactly how do they detect this twist in space-time? If they measure the outcome, they might say their experiment allowed them to go 6 seconds into the future, in only 2 seconds. Suppose they then claim that is time travel. How do they measure time and time travel itself, when you cannot see time?

But this is not any different from what you said :
Say you start at noon on monday and get to 2 am on Wednesday. Now say it only took 2 seconds. I think it's safe to say you time traveled.
If so, this answer is no better than your previous one.

Still, I do not think you get the point. How are they measuring time and time travel, and can it be directly shown how the machine travels time? I will put it another way that you might be able to understand at your level - what if I could devise a scenario where I could do exactly what the "time machine" does without using what you would call a time machine? You are fleeing from Victim Ivan Milat...you are trapped in a room....you dash into the only existing time machine (the one form the film "the time machine")...and "escape" into the future. You go 10, 000 years into the future. Can Ivan catch you without using a time machine? The answer is yes.

If so, would that lead you to understand why mearly noting that you have "done the job" is not good enough to say what the machine did?

(PS In case you wonder why it's Ivan, I am concentrating of Victim Ivan's case at the moment. There are important Forbidden Truths that may be available through Victim Ivan's case and various updates.)
 
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If time travel is possible then we go to a plain of new understanding and beliefs. To say whether it is ETHICAL right now is beyond our understanding as our current ethics and morals may be obsolete or irrelevant once time travel is perceived.
Humans society is utterly deranged, malevolent, and insane. If humans got hold of time-travel technology, there would be no legitimate Truth-based benefit. Most likely, humans would find some way to damage or destroy the planet/sequence of events etc.

Also, the machine itself may damage the universe in a way unforeseen, just a fridges damaged the planet via CFC gasses. It is irresponsible for humans to operate such a machine.

The fact is that currently, there are many issues with time-travel. The ramifications would be immense, unlike anything else we have seen.
 

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