JFK assassination and the CIA

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The laws of physics say that an object breaks at its weakest point when under enough stress. NO actual bullet hole would even necessarily have to be present at the weakest point, when the cranium pressurizes to point of failure.

GOT IT YET??? - HELLO?!

KINDLY ANSWER YOUR OFFICIAL QUESTIONS, OKAY!!!
You cannot show one jfk researcher with expertise in ballistics who admits the exit and entrance wounds were in the Occipital region. That's the whole coverup, to simply pretend the right rear blow-out was more forward and above where it really was, the occipital/parietal area. Kindly, go piss in the wind.
 
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Perhaps the Data contained in the hundreds of reports, books, investigations, documentaries, movies, historical records, medical records, witness reports, secret service documents and many other sources that deny your claim?

~OR~

I could just take your word for it....NOT.
Many liars have claimed his hands remained on the wheel. Removing one's hands from the steering wheel is not normal when driving a vehicle and is uncommon. He passed a gun and fired the fatal shot and the 3 films clearly make that a fact.

All of your posts will always be empty nonsense.

HIS RIGHT HAND MOVES TO HIS LEFT DURING THE TRANSFER OF THE GUN. Zapruder Frames - Costella Combined Edit



GREAT GIF showing his right to left movement. Keep your eyes through the windshield.

 
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That's boloney. I drive one-handed all the time. Rarely have both hands on the wheel.
Removing both of one's hands from the steering wheel is a normal practice for an assassin such as Greer who fired over his right shoulder. This would be uncommon for pretty much every driver in the history of mankind. Try asking one.

Zapruder shows a gun being passed and a fake reflection shooting jfk. You are claiming something didn't happen, which obviously did really happen because all 3 films prove that it really did happen.

Your silly lies will always be fun to mock.:giggle:
 
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You are all washed up, because there is not need whatsoever to remove both hands from a steering wheel to shoot somebody!!! - hello?! :p

Just one hand is all that is needed. Wake up - FINALLY!!!
Of course there was with Greer, because the gun had to be transferred to his left hand with his right hand. That happened in the zfilm, clearly.

HIS RIGHT HAND MOVES TO HIS LEFT DURING THE TRANSFER OF THE GUN. Zapruder Frames - Costella Combined Edit

 
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:You need to find some reputable sources for your information. Until you do, it is merely hogwash!!! :p

Recommended: The PBS JFK documentary.
The autopsy report does place the entrance near the eop but also includes the Occipital region as part of the missing skull. Do you know what/where that is? I am saying that the entrance and exit wound cannot both be in the occipital region of the skull. Capiche? Were these facts included in your stupid pbs special?
 
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According to Gary Mack the wind was blowing about 15 mph (west to the east) into the motorcade. Greer's close range shot completely supports these awesome accounts of gunpowder right near the limo and debunks the fatal shot from being 265 feet behind (east of) the limo.:p

From "Murder From Within" on the gunpowder "nose witnesses:" The Smell of Gunpowder in Dealey Plaza - from "Murder From Within" Wind Speed & Direction - JFK Assassination Debate - The Education Forum

***Motorcycle escort officer Billy J. Martin, riding one-half car length from the left rear fender of the Presidential limousine, recalled, “You could smell the gunpowder… you knew he wasn’t far away. When you’re that close, you can smell the powder burning. Why you—you’ve got to be pretty close to themyou could smell the gunpowder… right there in the street.”63 (Figure 3-7) “Nose” witnesses Sen. Ralph Yarborough rode in the second car behind the limousine. He smelled gunpowder in the street64 and said it clung to the car throughout the race to Parkland Hospital.65 He later commented, “. . . you don’t smell gunpowder unless you’re shooting at something up wind and it blows it back in your face…”65-a As noted, the motorcade headed into a breeze—photographs show bystanders’ skirts billowing in the wind. At Parkland Hospital Yarborough told reporters “the third shot may have been a Secret Service man returning fire.65-b
 
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According to Gary Mack the wind was blowing about 15 mph (west to the east) into the motorcade. Greer's close range shot completely supports these awesome accounts of gunpowder right near the limo and debunks the fatal shot from being 265 feet behind (east of) the limo.:p

From "Murder From Within" on the gunpowder "nose witnesses:" The Smell of Gunpowder in Dealey Plaza - from "Murder From Within" Wind Speed & Direction - JFK Assassination Debate - The Education Forum

***Motorcycle escort officer Billy J. Martin, riding one-half car length from the left rear fender of the Presidential limousine, recalled, “You could smell the gunpowder… you knew he wasn’t far away. When you’re that close, you can smell the powder burning. Why you—you’ve got to be pretty close to themyou could smell the gunpowder… right there in the street.”63 (Figure 3-7) “Nose” witnesses Sen. Ralph Yarborough rode in the second car behind the limousine. He smelled gunpowder in the street64 and said it clung to the car throughout the race to Parkland Hospital.65 He later commented, “. . . you don’t smell gunpowder unless you’re shooting at something up wind and it blows it back in your face…”65-a As noted, the motorcade headed into a breeze—photographs show bystanders’ skirts billowing in the wind. At Parkland Hospital Yarborough told reporters “the third shot may have been a Secret Service man returning fire.65-b

According to Peter Frampton, it was raining in Wichita at 10:46 AM on the day of the shooting, which would have prevented John Tazers mother from going shopping at the local grocery store.
It is well established that Tazer (secret service member #7) was unaware of his mothers predicament, but was distracted due to her rheumatism and was distraught enough to fire a shot into the head of the President of the United States.
 
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According to Peter Frampton, it was raining in Wichita at 10:46 AM on the day of the shooting, which would have prevented John Tazers mother from going shopping at the local grocery store.
It is well established that Tazer (secret service member #7) was unaware of his mothers predicament, but was distracted due to her rheumatism and was distraught enough to fire a shot into the head of the President of the United States.
A police officer smelling gunpowder in the street after the fatal shot proves he was not mistaken, unless of course he didn't know what it smelled like?:smug:

***Motorcycle escort officer Billy J. Martin, riding one-half car length from the left rear fender of the Presidential limousine, recalled, “You could smell the gunpowder… you knew he wasn’t far away. When you’re that close, you can smell the powder burning. Why you—you’ve got to be pretty close to them… you could smell the gunpowder… right there in the street.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/in...howtopic=19948
 
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A police officer smelling gunpowder in the street after the fatal shot proves he was not mistaken, unless of course he didn't know what it smelled like?:smug:



***Motorcycle escort officer Billy J. Martin, riding one-half car length from the left rear fender of the Presidential limousine, recalled, “You could smell the gunpowder… you knew he wasn’t far away. When you’re that close, you can smell the powder burning. Why you—you’ve got to be pretty close to them… you could smell the gunpowder… right there in the street.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/in...howtopic=19948
A woman across the street saw a Llama eating English muffins with bacon and reported seeing a flash of something behind the Llama which was in the way of her view....obviously someone fired a gun and as the car swerved at some point, it must have been the driver taking his hand off the wheel to load and fire.

She also mentioned an Arab man sipping Turkish coffee...I see a connection to Al Quieda and a certain Saudi prince.
 
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For Hill to have seen brain matter explode out the rear of JFK’s head and actually view the hole as he lie in the backseat is all the proof anyone needs to know that the massive exit wound was exactly where it always was, and where it wasn't supposed to be according to over fifty years of pushing it forward of that posterior area. The proof in this case is found by identifying the biggest lies. The government was apparently not comfortable with saying the entrance and exit wounds were both at the rear because no one would believe such tripe. Forty eyewitnesses, specific Zapruder frames, and the autopsy report support Clint Hill's description of JFK's exit wound.

Secret Service Agent Clint Hill wrote a 2012 book, “Mrs. Kennedy and Me,” in which he describes his experience during the JFK assassination.

“I heard the shot. The third shot,” he wrote. “The impact was like the sound of something hard hitting something hollow – like the sound of a melon shattering onto the cement. In the same instant, blood, brain matter, and bone fragments exploded from the back of the president’s head. The president’s blood, parts of his skull, bits of his brain were splattered all over me – on my face, my clothes, in my hair.”

As I peered into the backseat of the car,” Hill recalled. “I saw the president’s head in [Jackie’s] lap. His eyes were fixed, and I could see inside the back of his head. I could see inside the back of the president’s head.” Rare Zapruder footage: Multiple JFK assassins
 
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Specter told Dr. Jones that some eyewitnesses saw the shooter from the front. I wonder who that could be?


In the Introduction, on page xiii, the author writes: "Late in this project, I came upon a startling revelation in Dr. Ron Jones's oral history. After taking his Warren Commission deposition at Parkland, chief counsel Arlen Specter told Jones,

"We have people who would testify that they saw somebody shoot the president from the front. But we don't want to interview them, and I don't want you to say anything about that, either." http://www.amazon.com/We-Were-There-Revelations-Attended-ebook/dp/B00E258JTS/ref=cm_cr_pr_orig_subj

 
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It took almost 47 years to prove Greer was jfk's real assassin. We now know the only one important thing Greer kept secret.

-If Greer slowing down was not proof of his direct or indirect involvement, then his lie would not have been necessary.

-Greer turned around twice. The first, to locate his target, and the second to blow his brains out. This was a very important lie, easily exposed.

-How ironic it is that Greer supported a conspiracy. Who would know better than the ss agent who shot him?

-Your lies, ignorance, and obfuscation are being well documented here. Thanks for playing for the losing side.


V. Palamara: Notes on Bill Greer

Greer retired in July 1966 after having undergone a stomach operation and Jackie Kennedy sent him a letter thanking him for being with the President until the end.
He said he "saw blood on Connally's shirt" and looked back only "one time", in direct contrast to the Zapruder film. He went on to say that he "didn't really see the President at all".
Said the Zapruder film "was proven legitimate".
Claimed to have not seen anyone on the triple overpass.
Regarding the assassination itself, Greer claimed that "we never stopped...there was no reason to stop...no need to stop." In regard to the direction of the shots, he said that "everyone was hit from the rear...my back was covered with it [debris from head shot]." When told that Connally has always insisted that he was hit with a different bullet than had hit JFK, Greer said "I feel that way, too. They [the Warren Commission] had lawyers working on it...these lawyers had already made up their mind". Greer also believed that the back wound [which he referred to as being in the "back of the shoulder"] did not go through and that that was also the first thought of the autopsy doctors in attendance.
Greer claimed he was "in the OPERATING ROOM at Parkland" [emphasis added] and stated that JFK's clothing "were in my custody from Parkland to Washington."
Greer denied that there was a hole in the limousine's windshield. He said there was only a "star"; a spidering crack.
Greer did not know why the photographers were out of their usual position in front of and close to JFK's limousine that fateful day in Dallas, but did not seem to regard this as suspicious.
Regarding agent Roy Kellerman, Greer said twice that he was "a very fine gentleman." Regarding President Kennedy, Greer said "He and I were pretty close friends. He treated me just wonderful."
Regarding William Manchester and his book "Death of a President", Greer said harshly "He's garbage...didn't like it at all", further commenting on Manchester's criticism concerning his age and reflexes behind the wheel [Greer thought that his experience was an advantage, coming from "years of experience" , and certainly not a disadvantage]. He went on to say that he thought that Jim Bishop's book ("The Day Kennedy Was Shot") was the best book of all regarding the events of November 22, 1963. (However, keep in mind that his comments were made in 1970)
Greer said, somewhat cryptically, "there's alot of things I know that no one else knows." (!)


Finally, Greer said that the Warren Commission closed up shop too soon and that "there might have been a conspiracy in another part of the country." [!!!]

 
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It took almost 47 years to prove Greer was jfk's real assassin. We now know the only one important thing Greer kept secret.

-If Greer slowing down was not proof of his direct or indirect involvement, then his lie would not have been necessary.

-Greer turned around twice. The first, to locate his target, and the second to blow his brains out. This was a very important lie, easily exposed.

-How ironic it is that Greer supported a conspiracy. Who would know better than the ss agent who shot him?

-Your lies, ignorance, and obfuscation are being well documented here. Thanks for playing for the losing side.


V. Palamara: Notes on Bill Greer

Greer retired in July 1966 after having undergone a stomach operation and Jackie Kennedy sent him a letter thanking him for being with the President until the end.
He said he "saw blood on Connally's shirt" and looked back only "one time", in direct contrast to the Zapruder film. He went on to say that he "didn't really see the President at all".
Said the Zapruder film "was proven legitimate".
Claimed to have not seen anyone on the triple overpass.
Regarding the assassination itself, Greer claimed that "we never stopped...there was no reason to stop...no need to stop." In regard to the direction of the shots, he said that "everyone was hit from the rear...my back was covered with it [debris from head shot]." When told that Connally has always insisted that he was hit with a different bullet than had hit JFK, Greer said "I feel that way, too. They [the Warren Commission] had lawyers working on it...these lawyers had already made up their mind". Greer also believed that the back wound [which he referred to as being in the "back of the shoulder"] did not go through and that that was also the first thought of the autopsy doctors in attendance.
Greer claimed he was "in the OPERATING ROOM at Parkland" [emphasis added] and stated that JFK's clothing "were in my custody from Parkland to Washington."
Greer denied that there was a hole in the limousine's windshield. He said there was only a "star"; a spidering crack.
Greer did not know why the photographers were out of their usual position in front of and close to JFK's limousine that fateful day in Dallas, but did not seem to regard this as suspicious.
Regarding agent Roy Kellerman, Greer said twice that he was "a very fine gentleman." Regarding President Kennedy, Greer said "He and I were pretty close friends. He treated me just wonderful."
Regarding William Manchester and his book "Death of a President", Greer said harshly "He's garbage...didn't like it at all", further commenting on Manchester's criticism concerning his age and reflexes behind the wheel [Greer thought that his experience was an advantage, coming from "years of experience" , and certainly not a disadvantage]. He went on to say that he thought that Jim Bishop's book ("The Day Kennedy Was Shot") was the best book of all regarding the events of November 22, 1963. (However, keep in mind that his comments were made in 1970)
Greer said, somewhat cryptically, "there's alot of things I know that no one else knows." (!)

Finally, Greer said that the Warren Commission closed up shop too soon and that "there might have been a conspiracy in another part of the country." [!!!]


what should I, joe q. citizen, do with this new found information.
 
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i mean this is clearly important information, but what can i do about it?

is there a petition to sign to charge the driver?

help me help you 7forever.
 
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Giggle before dismissing?
Specter told Dr. Jones that some eyewitnesses saw the shooter from the front. I wonder who that could be? Did these eyewitnesses who Specter wouldn't interview see Oswald shoot Jfk from the front or the driver, William Greer?


In the Introduction, on page xiii, the author writes: "Late in this project, I came upon a startling revelation in Dr. Ron Jones's oral history. After taking his Warren Commission deposition at Parkland, chief counsel Arlen Specter told Jones,

"We have people who would testify that they saw somebody shoot the president from the front. But we don't want to interview them, and I don't want you to say anything about that, either." http://www.amazon.com/We-Were-There-...r_pr_orig_subj