Obama New Health Care Plan

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The cartoons are really hilarious. Dirk's is excellent. Sort of for socialism but also cynical about who will be profitting the most from the deal? Or did I get it wrong Dirk?:)
 
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How do you think the Healthcare Bill is faring? Do you think it stands a chance? Looks as though some serious questions are asked by the legislators about cost issues.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/16/AR2009071602242.html

Under questioning by members of the Senate Budget Committee, Douglas Elmendorf, director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, said bills crafted by House leaders and the Senate health committee do not propose "the sort of fundamental changes" necessary to rein in the skyrocketing cost of government health programs, particularly Medicare. On the contrary, Elmendorf said, the measures would pile on an expensive new program to cover the uninsured.
Though President Obama and Democratic leaders have repeatedly pledged to alter the soaring trajectory -- or cost curve -- of federal health spending, the proposals so far would not meet that goal, Elmendorf said, noting, "The curve is being raised." His remarks suggested that rather than averting a looming fiscal crisis, the measures could make the nation's bleak budget outlook even worse.
Elmendorf's blunt language startled lawmakers racing to meet Obama's deadline for approving a bill by the August break. The CBO is the official arbiter of the cost of legislation. Fiscal conservatives in the House said Elmendorf's testimony would galvanize the growing number of Democrats agitating for changes in the more than $1.2 trillion House bill, which aims to cover 97 percent of Americans by 2015.
 
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How do you think the Healthcare Bill is faring? Do you think it stands a chance? Looks as though some serious questions are asked by the legislators about cost issues.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/16/AR2009071602242.html

You know where I stand on this one- I think it costs too much, reduces quality too much, and will only hurt our situation. I think many Congressman are starting to rethink it, even those on the left and thankfully that means we have a shot at killing this thing in Congress.
 
Apr 2009
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I checked over exactly what Obama's healthcare plan is.

It confirmed what i have said about Obama since about a week after he came into power - one word - H-Y-P-E.

It does not provide for EVERYONE and it does not cut the enormous volumes of cash going into the pockets of the insurance companies. Though that's not the major issue - the major issue is that it is the money OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE - your tax money, my dear friends - and for what? Corporate profit!
 
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I checked over exactly what Obama's healthcare plan is.

It confirmed what i have said about Obama since about a week after he came into power - one word - H-Y-P-E.

It does not provide for EVERYONE and it does not cut the enormous volumes of cash going into the pockets of the insurance companies. Though that's not the major issue - the major issue is that it is the money OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE - your tax money, my dear friends - and for what? Corporate profit!
If only everyone would understand this. The current proposal only cuts quality and increases costs and it still won't provide for everyone. The welfare state can never provide for everyone because there is never enough money to do so.

Some of the provisions in this bill are just absurd. For those of you who want to read the bill first hand, you can check it out here: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf
 
Apr 2009
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If only everyone would understand this. The current proposal only cuts quality and increases costs and it still won't provide for everyone. The welfare state can never provide for everyone because there is never enough money to do so.
That's not necessarily true, actually.

In Britain, a welfare state provides free healthcare for everyone.

Universal Medicare would be a lot cheaper than the insurance system.

Obama's plan does nothing for the people and only extends corporate beauracracy.

However, that having been said, i question the sensibility of putting the health of the people in control of the Government. Or indeed, the corporations.
 
Apr 2009
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How "free" is free healthcare for everyone in the UK, really?
The National Health Service provides free medical healthcare - covering dentistry, doctoring, medical treatment, hospital beds and hospital meals for patients. There is nothing that the patient is required to pay for.

Naturally, it has to be paid for somehow, for as long as we live in a capitalist society. It is done through taxes. However, the real cost to the taxpayer is tiny compared to if the UK had an insurance system like the USA. A free market health system would also mean a far higher cost to the individual.

Yes and where does free cut off?:confused:
Prescriptions. But you only need to worry about that if you have the ability to pay for it. If you're receiving benefits, you are exempt from having to pay. If you are under 16, you are exempt from having to pay. If you are 65 or over, you are exempt from having to pay. Prescriptions are charged at the exact price of purchase - no corporate profit.

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That having been said, it isn't my favourite system. But it's better than a free-market one or an insurance system. However, i have a duty as a self-respecting commie to question the idea of putting the health of the people in the Government's hands.
 
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Naturally, it has to be paid for somehow, for as long as we live in a capitalist society. It is done through taxes. However, the real cost to the taxpayer is tiny compared to if the UK had an insurance system like the USA. A free market health system would also mean a far higher cost to the individual.
That is what I had meant. Also, there are direct and indirect taxes too. Nothing comes free. Not even in a socialist country.
 
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That is what I had meant. Also, there are direct and indirect taxes too. Nothing comes free. Not even in a socialist country.
Socialist country? Name one and i'm there. I'll get my savings out of my capitalist bank, get a capitalist bus to Kyle, hop on the capitalist train to Inverness, take a capitalist plane to Edinburgh, Glasgow, or London as necessary, and hop on another capitalist plane to get to this alleged socialist country. Now then, where is it?
 
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Socialist country? Name one and i'm there. I'll get my savings out of my capitalist bank, get a capitalist bus to Kyle, hop on the capitalist train to Inverness, take a capitalist plane to Edinburgh, Glasgow, or London as necessary, and hop on another capitalist plane to get to this alleged socialist country. Now then, where is it?
oops .... :eek: ... you're right of course. Too much self-interest and wanting power and control for that to probably happen during our life-time. May only be possible one day when the world has a common outside enemy.