the existence of evil

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No, I'm talking about the beatings in Russia and ethnic/sectarian cleansing in Africa. Don't act as if calling out militant Christians is somehow a defence of militant Muslims. That's a favorite strategy of Christian apologists and it doesn't work on me.

let's stick to facts and data (ie not what's in bold).
now be a dear, and post a link detailing these horrible Christian crimes.
 
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One can still be an atheist or liberal while observing honest differences. it's critical thinking.

imagine a scientist studying chemicals, diseases, or language and sweeping all the nuances of difference under the rug for the sake of some false equality.
Chemicals, Diseases, or language are all aspects of physical reality that are of direct concern to every person and effect their lives. Religion is only a reality because it has been turned into one by the religious and the effects it has on those who are not religious or of another version are generally negative to society and life. When harm comes about because of personal opinion the opinion should be rejected ....PERIOD.
Can you imagine any other group of people in the western world deciding to eliminate the rights of half the population because they "Think" they should?
 
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let's stick to facts and data (ie not what's in bold).
now be a dear, and post a link detailing these horrible Christian crimes.
Considering the bolded was in response to you doing that very thing, it falls quite clearly into the realm of fact. ;)

But I'll play along with your attempted doge:
From Russia. (A video, so be ready to see things actually happen.)
From Africa.

So, you were saying?
 
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Chemicals, Diseases, or language are all aspects of physical reality that are of direct concern to every person and effect their lives. Religion is only a reality because it has been turned into one by the religious and the effects it has on those who are not religious or of another version are generally negative to society and life. When harm comes about because of personal opinion the opinion should be rejected ....PERIOD.
Can you imagine any other group of people in the western world deciding to eliminate the rights of half the population because they "Think" they should?
the only thing I am countering is the assertion made that "Christianity is just as bad as Islam". In other words they are equal. That doesn't hold water in any realm. You have also measured and compared, indicating that islam is more violent. in other words they are not the same. So on the measure of violence, Christianity is NOT just as bad.
 
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Considering the bolded was in response to you doing that very thing, it falls quite clearly into the realm of fact. ;)

But I'll play along with your attempted doge:
From Russia. (A video, so be ready to see things actually happen.)
From Africa.

So, you were saying?
that's it?

In the Russian example, do we know that the assailants who injured the supposed Muslim were Christian? looks more like a drug deal gone bad or some dude telling the mafia he doesn't have their money. Christians or Muslims can rob a bank. It doesn't mean it is a Christian or Islamic crime if they do though.

In the Africa example, it does describe Christians committing violence against Muslims. I'll give you that. Are they doing it in the name of Christ or are they doing it because a Muslim took power by coup in a Christian nation? I don't know. Either way, I never claimed it does not happen, or that it is not wrong when it does...I argue instead against your claim that "Christianity is just as bad"

I know why this cognitive error is so often put out, in fact I playfully called it out over two years ago here:

http://politicalfray.com/religion/4495-handling-liberal-bible-disconnect-i.html
 
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that's it?

In the Russian example, do we know that the assailants who injured the supposed Muslim were Christian? looks more like a drug deal gone bad or some dude telling the mafia he doesn't have their money. Christians or Muslims can rob a bank. It doesn't mean it is a Christian or Islamic crime if they do though.

In the Africa example, it does describe Christians committing violence against Muslims. I'll give you that. Are they doing it in the name of Christ or are they doing it because a Muslim took power by coup in a Christian nation? I don't know. Either way, I never claimed it does not happen, or that it is not wrong when it does...I argue instead against your claim that "Christianity is just as bad"

I know why this cognitive error is so often put out, in fact I playfully called it out over two years ago here:

http://politicalfray.com/religion/4495-handling-liberal-bible-disconnect-i.html
It was a Christian shooting a Muslim in the head unprovoked.

Those militias were on a rampage AFTER the Muslim leader had given up power.

And of course that's not it, I'd take me a lifetime to give you a blow by blow.

So again, how are Christian terrorists any better than the Muslims? Just because it's not happening in your backyard doesn't excuse it.
 
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It was a Christian shooting a Muslim in the head unprovoked.
You don’t know that. In fact I see no indications of that in the video at all. Like I said, it looks like the guy walks up next to the dudes, words are exchanged and a gun is fired. The guy did not show him his Muslim ID card and then the two say “Ha we will kill you in the name of Christ!”

Those militias were on a rampage AFTER the Muslim leader had given up power. And of course that's not it, I'd take me a lifetime to give you a blow by blow.
Actually skirmishes were occurring between the groups, before during and after the leader left, this was just the finale.
So again, how are Christian terrorists any better than the Muslims? Just because it's not happening in your backyard doesn't excuse it
Oops, that’s not what’s being debated.
This is…

Outside the West, Christians are just as bad.
A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent
 
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Bangladesh Hindu priest murdered by militants - BBC News

A hindu priest hacked to death in Bangladesh.

it was committed , not by radical Christians, but by ....


(wait for it)



radical Islamists.




A Hindu priest has been killed in Bangladesh, in the latest attack by Islamist militants. The body of Ananda Gopal Ganguly, 70, was found in a field near his temple in western Jhenaidah district. His head had been nearly severed from his neck. Separately, police have killed three suspected Islamists in a crackdown on extremists blamed for the murders....

Police say more than 40 people have been killed since January last year in the wave of attacks on those seen by extremists as offensive to Islam.
 
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Usually you find what you seek.

:rolleyes: yeah.

Here's another attack. probably one of those rascally Christian extremist groups again.

Tel Aviv shooting: 3 killed, hospital says - CNN.com

The shooting broke out near one of Tel Aviv's most popular outdoor markets, Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said in a statement. At least six people were wounded.One person has been arrested, Rosenfeld reported on his official Twitter account. Police are searching for one suspect, Rosenfeld said.



Information about a motive in the shooting wasn't immediately available.
 
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the only thing I am countering is the assertion made that "Christianity is just as bad as Islam". In other words they are equal. That doesn't hold water in any realm. You have also measured and compared, indicating that islam is more violent. in other words they are not the same. So on the measure of violence, Christianity is NOT just as bad.
If we consider the ENTIRE history of Christianity and Islam, it is certainly true that Christians have killed many more people for religious reasons than Moslems ever did.
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Both Islam and Christianity are faith based (no actual reality based data) religious systems primarily focused on controlling a population and eliminating opposition. The level of violence in each has varied and waned over time with Islam being the most violent right now. Regardless, both seek to instill a level of ignorance because they rely on it to exist. Christianity has evolved with the times and worked it's control within the legal framework of western mentality while Islam remains primarily tribal....neither one can lead to increased knowledge or freedom.
 
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Obviously, his cheese fell off his cracker very early in life.

In other words, mental illness, rather than he was somehow "possessed by evil". No such trait exists. One has seen too many horror flicks if one believe it does.

Agreed. Most likely a severe, and obviously violent, form of paranoid schizophrenia.
 
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you don't believe in evil?
Most Christians/Muslims believe "evil" is a force perpetuated by Satan in a battle against God. I disagreed. God is all knowing and all powerful. God created Lucifer knowing what Lucifer would do (if you follow the story literally).

IMHO, "evil" is simply "without God's grace". If God is light, then the opposite is darkness. Per the apocryphal story, Lucifer chooses to move out of God's light and live in darkness.

The deeper question is why are we here? Why did God create a dichotomous universe? Why give man free will? If mankind really does have free will, then doesn't man need two extremes to understand the choices? How can we understand hot if we don't experience cold? Love without hate? Light without darkness?

In Gaskin's case, he's simply mentally ill. No more evil than the 2004 Tsunami that killed over 250,000 human beings. What does it matter as long as eternity awaits? God's promise is not to live pain free but to have everlasting life. Ergo, mass murderers and tsunamis are irrelevant to the bigger picture.
 
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Both Islam and Christianity are faith based (no actual reality based data) religious systems primarily focused on controlling a population and eliminating opposition. The level of violence in each has varied and waned over time with Islam being the most violent right now. Regardless, both seek to instill a level of ignorance because they rely on it to exist. Christianity has evolved with the times and worked it's control within the legal framework of western mentality while Islam remains primarily tribal....neither one can lead to increased knowledge or freedom.
Disagreed. Religion is a tool for greater spiritual awareness. The fact some men have used it to do exactly what you said is irrelevant.

Religion has given great comfort to far more than it has been used for harm. The same goes for axes, guns, automobiles and other tools which have been misused and harmed others.
 
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