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What political views do you hold?


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Apr 2009
1,943
Disunited Queendom
Are you sure this is correct for centre-right? It describes where I am, but I would call it rather Centre-Libertarian than Centre-Right?
Centre-right is not necessarily libertarian or authoritarian. Being right or left wing doesn't make you Statist or Anti-statist in itself. :)
 
Mar 2009
2,187
Centre-right is not necessarily libertarian or authoritarian. Being right or left wing doesn't make you Statist or Anti-statist in itself. :)
OK, I get the diplomatic correction, thanks for the explanation :eek:. I still don't seem to be able to find a fit for myself in the great variety of options. Maybe because the centre-right just looks too right. Anyway, the closest I am then in the descriptions on offer would be centre-right.
 
Dec 2009
128
Vancouver
I am not crazy about this list so I abstained.

You know that liberal in europe is small c conservative in the states and conservative in the states doesnt really exist in europe ...
 
Mar 2009
2,187
I am not crazy about this list so I abstained.

You know that liberal in europe is small c conservative in the states and conservative in the states doesnt really exist in europe ...
I'm not an expert on Europe, but as far as I can understand they do have groups that are to the right of the centre, and those would be considered conservative. Such as the Conservative Party in the UK?
 
Dec 2009
128
Vancouver
I'm not an expert on Europe, but as far as I can understand they do have groups that are to the right of the centre, and those would be considered conservative. Such as the Conservative Party in the UK?
Not really ...

Liberalism in Europe today

In Europe, on the other hand, parties that call themselves liberal are moderate in outlook, ranging from centre-left to centre-right, promote typically economic and business freedom. The Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe[17] is a party of the European Parliament that represents most liberal parties from European countries. Similar policies are promoted by many liberal parties throughout the world,[18] such as the Liberal Party of Australia.[19]


Trade unions and socialist parties often criticize politicians for promoting lower taxes on business, or more flexible hiring and firing laws, by calling them "liberals" or neoliberals. Thus, just as in the US, "liberal" may occasionally be used as a term of abuse. But when someone is called "liberal" in Europe, it has an entirely different meaning than in the US. In fact, the US meaning of liberal is more similar to the politics of European socialist or social democratic parties.[20]
http://www.conservapedia.com/Liberal#Liberalism_in_Europe_today
In Europe, with a strong traditional class-structure, historians and social scientists identified the political spectrum on the basis of class, with left, right and center representing the working, upper and middle classes. While these cleavages developed at the time of the French revolution, they deepened in the 19th century and both right and left accepted the class nature of their positions. While universal suffrage, the acceptance of democracy and regional and religious division blurred the distinction between the groups, the analysis continued to be applied. The most usual ideologies of left, right and center were socialism, conservatism and liberalism.[9] Seymour Martin Lipset saw modern political parties as continuing the "Democratic Class Struggle" that led to their creation.[10]


In America, with its economic system less codified as rigid a structure of hereditary social classes, the political spectrum has been analyzed with a more idealogical emphasis. For example, Louis Hartz identified the mainstream political ideology of America as Lockean liberalism, not lying in a feudal past, and saw the two main opposing forces in American history as Whig and Democrat, representing the industrialists and the agriculturalists, but both accepting liberal principals and therefore essentially centrist.[11] Russell Kirk however argued that the American Revolution had been a conservative reaction and therefore the term conservative could apply to American politics.[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics

The "right" in europe are more likely to be skinheads etc.
 
Apr 2009
1,943
Disunited Queendom
I'm not an expert on Europe, but as far as I can understand they do have groups that are to the right of the centre, and those would be considered conservative. Such as the Conservative Party in the UK?
The Conservative Party aren't conservative in the same way as, for example, George Bush or Obama are conservative. I'm sure some of them would like to be properly conservative, but there is some sort of democratic accountability (though not much). Enough to ensure that they have to accept things like civil liberties and the NHS. There's overwhelming public support for it.

The "right" in europe are more likely to be skinheads etc.
Well, Britain has a pretty healthy right-wing, unfortunately. The Conservative Party, the United Kingdom Libertarian Party and United Kingdom Independence Party are all right-wing. Although the Tories and UKIP are centre-right. The Libertarians aren't very popular at all. Even the Labour Party are centre-right - they abandoned their traditional working-class base in 1997.

Unfortunately, Britain also has the resident racists, the British Nazi Party.

There is no fascist voice, however.

I do deplore the use of the term skinhead. I know several skinheads that have similar politics to me. Radically ani-state, radically anti-Nazi, radially anti-capitalist.

The Left also is made up entirely of Statist elements. It's generally quite weak. he british political scene is dominated by Centrists. Running from the Liberal Democrats on the centre-left, to Labour and the Tories on the centre-right.

American Liberalism is on the centre-right. In Europe, "liberal" either means socially libertarian or centre-left.

Neoliberalism is American Libertarianism.
 
Mar 2009
2,187
The Conservative Party aren't conservative in the same way as, for example, George Bush or Obama are conservative. I'm sure some of them would like to be properly conservative, but there is some sort of democratic accountability (though not much). Enough to ensure that they have to accept things like civil liberties and the NHS. There's overwhelming public support for it.
I'm not sure that I understand. Are you saying George Busjh or Obama are less conservative than the Conservative Party in the UK?
 
Apr 2009
1,943
Disunited Queendom
No way! I can't see that? I don't even know how you can compare the three?:confused:
Well, out of necessity, the Conservative Party must accept things like the NHS. Obama and Bush don't support such a system. And don't need to.

British politics recently has been a dash for the centre. The Labour Party was, previously, in favour of Social Democracy. It's acually now right of the Conservatives, who are right of centre, so they overshot their target. The Tories, after Thatcher, became moderates almost overnight. The Lib Dems actually drifted a little left, while still keeping a general civil libertarianism.

Both the Republicans and Democrats haven't moved from the Right and Right-of-centre (respectfully) for decades.
 
Mar 2009
2,187
Well, out of necessity, the Conservative Party must accept things like the NHS. Obama and Bush don't support such a system. And don't need to.

British politics recently has been a dash for the centre. The Labour Party was, previously, in favour of Social Democracy. It's acually now right of the Conservatives, who are right of centre, so they overshot their target. The Tories, after Thatcher, became moderates almost overnight. The Lib Dems actually drifted a little left, while still keeping a general civil libertarianism.

Both the Republicans and Democrats haven't moved from the Right and Right-of-centre (respectfully) for decades.
I thought the Labour Party was pretty much on the level of Obama, centre left, and the Conservative Party centre right and more on the level of the Republican Party?
 
Apr 2009
1,943
Disunited Queendom
I thought the Labour Party was pretty much on the level of Obama, centre left, and the Conservative Party centre right and more on the level of the Republican Party?
The Labour Party used to be centre-left. Similar position as the SPD. Not anymore. :p

The Republican Party is not centre-right. ;)
 
Apr 2009
1,943
Disunited Queendom
What is the Republican Party then?;)
Well, it is right-wing, as far as "left-wing" or "right-wing" are applicable to reality. But centrism denotes moderation.

Does anyone care to claim the Republican Party is made up of moderates? :rolleyes:
 
Mar 2009
2,751
Undisclosed
Well, it is right-wing, as far as "left-wing" or "right-wing" are applicable to reality. But centrism denotes moderation.

Does anyone care to claim the Republican Party is made up of moderates? :rolleyes:
As usual there are some of all stripes in the Republican party. We even have some closet Democrats. We got rid of one this year, maybe we can get Olympia Snowe to switch parties soon. We can't count on her for important votes anyway.
 
Dec 2009
22
I am an Anarcho-capitalist.

I would say that I am kind of a right-libertarian but I take it a step further. I don't believe that there is a need to use force in order to achieve anything, I believe that the market (free market) will handle most day to day problems that we run into
 
Apr 2009
1,943
Disunited Queendom
As an anti-state socialist, I would like to see the abolition of all coercive institutions, including capitalism (insofar as it exists) and the state. This is in order to facilitate the maximum of individual expression, equality and liberty. I support peace, self-determination, co-operation, industrial democracy, worker management and free federation.
 
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Dec 2009
22
I'd like to know what you mean by anti-state socialist. How do you play to achieve socialism other than by force? and if you are planning on giving 1 entity the "right" to use force against others aren't they "the state"
 
Jul 2009
5,883
Port St. Lucie
I'd like to know what you mean by anti-state socialist. How do you play to achieve socialism other than by force? and if you are planning on giving 1 entity the "right" to use force against others aren't they "the state"
Capitalism uses force. Socialism is inherently democratic.