Your Views

What political views do you hold?


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Dec 2009
59
State capitalism is intervention in the economy on the side of business. Trademarks often include regressive tax, fiscal support for failing businesses, and corporate welfare.

An extreme form of state capitalism was implemented in the Soviet Union. And you are quite right to cite Nazi Germany and the PRC (though until the '60s/'70s, it was mostly an agrarian pre-industrial base).
If state capitalism is part of the Peoples Republic of China and Nazi Germany why did you include it as a characteristic of conservatism in post #8?

Truth be known there wasn?t much difference between National Socialism in Germany and soviet socialism in Stalinist Russia. But yet in popular parlance Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union are supposed to be on opposite sides of the political spectrum and according to the Left in America conservatives are the same as Nazis.
 
Apr 2009
1,943
Disunited Queendom
If state capitalism is part of the Peoples Republic of China and Nazi Germany why did you include it as a characteristic of conservatism in post #8?


Because state intervention in the economy is a part of conservatism. In practice, anyway.
 
Dec 2009
59
Because state intervention in the economy is a part of conservatism. In practice, anyway.
Nazi Germany and Red China have had more than simple state intervention in the economy. Conservatives allow government intervention in the economy only to the extent that they do not support laissez faire policies because such policies destabilize the economy by allowing greed and fraud to run rampant.
 
Jul 2009
5,883
Port St. Lucie
Nazi Germany and Red China have had more than simple state intervention in the economy. Conservatives allow government intervention in the economy only to the extent that they do not support laissez faire policies because such policies destabilize the economy by allowing greed and fraud to run rampant.


Red China? RED China? This isn't the 50s, friend. China is more capitalist then the US.
 
Mar 2009
2,187
Red China? RED China? This isn't the 50s, friend. China is more capitalist then the US.
Come again? China has to have more Government than the United States? For me the more Government there is, the less capitalist the country is and there is more Government in China than in the United States. US is not as capitalist anyway as it used to be by the same token.
 
Jul 2009
5,883
Port St. Lucie
Come again? China has to have more Government than the United States? For me the more Government there is, the less capitalist the country is and there is more Government in China than in the United States. US is not as capitalist anyway as it used to be by the same token.
Capitalism is all about profit. Just because the gov't wants to grantee it get's it's share too doesn't make it not capitalist.
 

myp

Jan 2009
5,841
Capitalism is all about profit. Just because the gov't wants to grantee it get's it's share too doesn't make it not capitalist.
Profit is not the defining piece of capitalism though. Read any writing on capitalism from Adam Smith to F.A. Hayek and you will see that it is more about the fairness in process than it is about profit. This fairness in process is driven by free markets, not government intervention.

Now if you want to make the claim that China has freer markets, that is another issue. Personally, I do not believe that is true, but the trend there is moving towards freer markets whereas we (the US) are moving in the other direction. Also, note that Hong Kong is a completely different situation and I would agree with you in calling HK more capitalist.
 
Mar 2009
2,187
Profit is not the defining piece of capitalism though. Read any writing on capitalism from Adam Smith to F.A. Hayek and you will see that it is more about the fairness in process than it is about profit. This fairness in process is driven by free markets, not government intervention.

Now if you want to make the claim that China has freer markets, that is another issue. Personally, I do not believe that is true, but the trend there is moving towards freer markets whereas we (the US) are moving in the other direction. Also, note that Hong Kong is a completely different situation and I would agree with you in calling HK more capitalist.
Well said. I don't have the right words, and maybe I'm wrong, but I get the feeling that China's marketing is very agressively expansive, and I wonder whether that is part of a deliberate Government policy to dominate as many markets as possible, undercutting prices and providing cheap labour in countries all over the world, and presently specifically in Africa. Sort of part of a neo-colonialism drive, but on the back of a very aggressive economic expansion where they offload cheap Chinese products, cheap services and undercut prices of their Western competitors.
 
Dec 2009
12
How would you identify your political views?

Some additional questions:

1. Liberty or Security?
A fine balance between both can be achieved and right now I think the United states is leaning more toward Security than liberty/freedom. If it keeps tilting that way, the USA will become another socialist country.

2. Nationalism or Internationalism?
Internationalism, you can't achieve, produce, service everything in any one country alone. To survive and be strong you must have a good internaional picture.
3. Hawk or Dove?
Hawk all the way!
 
Apr 2009
1,943
Disunited Queendom
Come again? China has to have more Government than the United States? For me the more Government there is, the less capitalist the country is and there is more Government in China than in the United States. US is not as capitalist anyway as it used to be by the same token.
I suppose your point is that there's a difference between free market capitalism and state capitalism?

And China poses a greater threat to the U.S. now than the Soviet Union ever did.


Militarily speaking, not in the slightest.
 
Jan 2010
34
I personally am in the middle and am a registered Independent. I lean towards the conservative side on most matters but not enough to consider myself a right wing.
 
Mar 2009
2,751
Undisclosed
I personally am in the middle and am a registered Independent. I lean towards the conservative side on most matters but not enough to consider myself a right wing.
Sounds fair enough to me. I am almost right wing I guess. I am about two clicks right of Dick Cheney and Newt Gingrich.:D
 

GOP

Feb 2010
360
United Kingdom
Conservative and Right Libertarian, a mix of the two. A great believer in the free market, less government, stronger and stricter laws for criminals. But also I believe in traditions, I've grown up being found of traditions and keeping to the same "old thing".
 
Jul 2009
5,883
Port St. Lucie
Conservative and Right Libertarian, a mix of the two. A great believer in the free market, less government, stronger and stricter laws for criminals. But also I believe in traditions, I've grown up being found of traditions and keeping to the same "old thing".
So do you still worship Odin and live in a bronze age society?
 

GOP

Feb 2010
360
United Kingdom
No, the most undefinable word to date is probably tradition. There are so many different traditions, and there are so many good "old things". So that for you to draw that conclusion would be rather strange, because my sort of traditions could be an ocean a part from your traditions.
 
Jul 2009
5,883
Port St. Lucie
No, the most undefinable word to date is probably tradition. There are so many different traditions, and there are so many good "old things". So that for you to draw that conclusion would be rather strange, because my sort of traditions could be an ocean a part from your traditions.
It was a joke... :unsure: