Double Standards---a Country with a Freedom of Expression?

[tommy]

I am always proud of being the son of my great democratic motherland---the United States of America. This is a country of authorizing broadest democracy to the overwhelming majority of the people. This is a country of maximizing the right of expressing freely for its kind hard-working people. However, when the words ? A Man Charged With Threatening Obama in Web Poem . ? jumped into my eyes, my heart broke up completely and I felt ashamed for my country.
Johnny Logan Spencer, a 27 years old young man, was prosecuted for writing a poem called ? The Sniper ? two years ago which described a sniper shot a black tyrant. Spencer, who was arrested by the Secret Service and taken into custody, may face an imprisonment of 15years at the most. How can a job-loser make a threat to our great president Obama ? s life? How can our country take an action toward a man even lack ing the strength to truss up a chicken .? W hy does a guy take no action of assassinating the president in two years if he really bore such an intention? Where is the freedom of expression which is protected by the Constitution of The United States of America?
We always broadcast toward the whole world that we have the soundest legislation to protect people ? s freedom of expression and we are a people of sharing the utmost human rights. I also bear such an opinion in my mind and feel proud of living in such a superior country. Nonetheless, after I read the Constitution of The United States of America, it is not difficult to find out that there is a lot of confinement to the freedom of expression. For example, it specifies that people have no freedom of assembly and association which results in traffic jam and violation of traffic regulations. What ? s more, the constitution imposes restriction on the army and the criminals ? freedom of expression. What is worth mentioning is that even the candidate ? s freedom of expression and action in a press conference is under confinement. That is why Johnny Logan Spencer was prosecuted by the federal for the crimes of threatening the president and racialism, which means that the so-called freedom will sell our rights away in the name of silencing those who disagree with the government.
In the world affairs, we, the United States of America, appeal for the real human rights for the world people and are consecutively dedicated to promote the enterprises of human rights. Those countries who are underperformers of freedom of expression are criticized and attacked by our government. We said people in those countries have no rights of vote , expression , assembly, association and so on. I would say that so do our country. How can we do so as the developing country do? How can we use double standard s to measure the situation of people ? s freedom and rights of expression toward our country and others respectively?

 

[David]

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Fighting words...

 

[chuck schmidt]

I am always proud of being the son of my great democratic motherland---the United States of America. This is a country of authorizing broadest democracy to the overwhelming majority of the people. This is a country of maximizing the right of expressing freely for its kind hard-working people. However, when the words ? A Man Charged With Threatening Obama in Web Poem .? jumped into my eyes, my heart broke up completely and I felt ashamed for my country.
Johnny Logan Spencer, a 27 years old young man, was prosecuted for writing a poem called ? The Sniper? two years ago which described a sniper shot a black tyrant. Spencer, who was arrested by the Secret Service and taken into custody, may face an imprisonment of 15years at the most. How can a job-loser make a threat to our great president Obama? s life? How can our country take an action toward a maneven lack ing the strength to truss up a chicken .? W hy does a guy take no action of assassinating the president in two years if he really bore such an intention? Where is the freedom of expression which is protected by the Constitution of The United States of America?
We always broadcast toward the whole world that we have the soundest legislation to protect people? s freedom of expression and we are a people of sharing the utmost human rights. I also bear such an opinion in my mind and feel proud of living in such a superior country. Nonetheless, after I read the Constitution of The United States of America, it is not difficult to find out that there is a lot of confinement to the freedom of expression. For example, it specifies that people have no freedom of assembly and association which results in traffic jam and violation of traffic regulations. What? s more, the constitution imposes restriction on the army and the criminals? freedom of expression. What is worth mentioning is that even the candidate? s freedom of expression and action in a press conference is under confinement. That is why Johnny Logan Spencer was prosecuted by the federal for the crimes of threatening the president and racialism, which means that the so-called freedom will sell our rights away in the name of silencing those who disagree with the government.
In the world affairs, we, the United States of America, appeal for the real human rights for the world people and are consecutively dedicated to promote the enterprises of human rights. Those countries who are underperformers of freedom of expression are criticized and attacked by our government. We said people in those countries have no rights of vote, expression , assembly, association and so on. I would say that so do our country. How can we do so as the developing country do? How can we use double standard s to measure the situation of people? s freedom and rights of expression toward our country and others respectively?

It is like walking out of the bush and over the snow on an icy lake. Until you turn and look back at your tracks you really don't know how far you've come. With the world's most powerful military, a huge security apparatus and more of its people in jail than any other nation, America today is a fascist state as "fascist" is defined in political science.

 

[David]

It is like walking out of the bush and over the snow on an icy lake. Until you turn and look back at your tracks you really don't know how far you've come. With the world's most powerful military, a huge security apparatus and more of its people in jail than any other nation, America today is a fascist state as "fascist" is defined in political science.

America isn't corporatist, state-capitalist but not corporatist. America maintains free speech. America hasn't militarized society, hell on the Home-front, America is almost totally demilitarized. America hasn't mass-nationalized the economy. In other words, america isn't fascist as defined by political science.

 

[Dirk]

Fascism = nationalism + militarism + corporatism - unions.

 

[Seer Travis Truman]

I am always proud of being the son of my great democratic motherland---

Society has brainwashed you into its insane doctrine of patriotic delusion. You are blind to the Forbidden Truth that the very society that is responsible for your own broken mind and victimization has tricked you into a delusion that you owe a loyalty and devotion.

the United States of America. This is a country of authorizing broadest democracy to the overwhelming majority of the people.

No. America, just as england, is an genocidally malevolent ultra-diseased and lie-based society. There is no valid claim to democracy. The Forbidden Truth is that america is a facist dictatorship, and was such a dictatorship from the day it was formed.

This is a country of maximizing the right of expressing freely for its kind hard-working people.

Wrong. Its a society of brutally oppressing, breaking and victimizing its children into pathetic-minded citizen-slaves. The only legitimate expression is via the Truth, and an accurate reflection of your True Reality. over 99.99999% of citizen-slaves in american society are not only denied this, but they are so conditioned they cannot even recognize and accept this Truth.

The only legitimate freedom is Mental Freedom.


Its all so simple. Societal leaders are intensely interested in their own safety. They realize that some victim-creations will realize that they are created victims of society, and some will even realize on some level that the societal leadership bear responsibility for their pain.

Societal leaders not only perceive a threat to their safety, but that a citizen-slave can see some Forbidden Truth, on some level. Societal leaders don;t really care about the individual slaves' lives let alone their rights. They think that their lives are important, as evidenced by the fact that they alone may enjoy such protection where a person whose life is known to be endangered will probably get zero protection.

Societal leaders want to send a strong message to society - target regular citizen-slaves rather than us. Do NOT target societal leaders. They are mearly discouraging it. They know that the various "freedoms" and "rights" they claim you citizen-slaves have are bogus and illegitimate.

 

[Dirk]

They know that the various "freedoms" and "rights" they claim you citizen-slaves have are bogus and illegitimate.

+ freedom is not bestowed or enforced - hypocrisy is.

 

[chuck schmidt]

America isn't corporatist, state-capitalist but not corporatist. America maintains free speech.

Not every element is identical to WW2 fascist Germany. WW2 fascist Italy wasn't. History often repeats, but not as an identical twin.

America hasn't militarized society,

No? Then why do offices sending salesmen out "deploy" them? Why do police now "deploy"? You probably don't recognize the degree of military jargon compared to 40 years ago.

America is almost totally demilitarized.

More uniformed guns in public than any other democracy? A higher defence budget than any country on earth? The biggest military in the world with carrier battle groups "deployed" world wide, all in the absence of any world threat to the stability of American borders?

In other words, america isn't fascist as defined by political science.

And Woody Woodpecker doesn't have a hickory dick.

 

[Dirk]

More uniformed guns in public than any other democracy?

*yawn*

The US isn't a democracy, comrade.

Democracy is the following:

a) government by the people - meaning the people governing themselves

(if the people are ruled by elected representatives, it's known as a representative or liberal democracy)

b) political/social unit that has a Government (big G) that facilitates a).

c) the common people as the source of political power

d) *colloquial* majority rule

e) *sub to a)* social equality and respect for the individual in the community (pol. sc.)

 

[Seer Travis Truman]

*yawn*
The US isn't a democracy, comrade.

No human society in history has even had any legitimate democracy. Its not that democracy is not being implemented, it is. It is because the minds of all the citizen-slaves who vote are all just reflections of each other.

Society created you, it brainwashed you, and all the candidates represent the values of that society and culture, as well as the institutions of society. Lets say that your list is all checked off (and it may well be) - you have your "democracy". What then? Its still just a fascist dictatorship, because your are all living a lie, you are all trapped in a lie. Your beliefs, ideas, rationisations, ideologies etc etc are just a distorted reflection of what society told you there were. You cannot have freedom or democracy because you gave up the Truth.

What is more, no mainstream society's citizen-slave have any desire to have a real democracy - they secretly want the fascist dictatorships they all currently have.

 

[Seer Travis Truman]

The Forbidden Truth is that its a rigged system. First, 2 humans out of millions of humans are selected as candidates and carefully screened in such a way that they conform to all the major underlying principals of society. Only those who already conform to these principals can become members of a major political party, and only members of these parties can become one of the two candidates. Then, you are facistly instructed that you are only allowed to vote for one of these two candidates.

No politician can reach this stage of becoming a candidate unless he believes in the family unit, wears a suit, refrains from public violence, demonises criminals, promises a form of legal and societally sponsered mass murder such as war, abortion, death penalty, child brutalization etc and then also claims that he himself as well as all law-abiding citizen-slaves are moral and have freedom. Of course, you are all immoral and have no legitimate freedom.

Since BOTH the candidates only vary in cosmetic ways, since BOTH represent and will continue the current cultural and societal systems already in place, it simply makes no difference who is voted for from a Forbidden Truth perspective.

 

[Dirk]

No human society in history has even had any legitimate democracy.

No it hasn't. Some have come closer than others, though.

Its not that democracy is not being implemented, it is.

No it isn't. The social contract is a lie. It does not exist. Government exists for the benefit of those with power and/or wealth.

Lets say that your list is all checked off (and it may well be) - you have your "democracy". What then?

Then society may progress with more fluidity, without being held back as much by the ?lite. Nobody believes democracy or the abolition of the state will immediately herald some utopic fantasy.

 

[chuck schmidt]

*yawn*

The US isn't a democracy, comrade.

Democracy is the following:

a) government by the people - meaning the people governing themselves

(if the people are ruled by elected representatives, it's known as a representative or liberal democracy)

b) political/social unit that has a Government (big G) that facilitates a).

c) the common people as the source of political power

d) *colloquial* majority rule

e) *sub to a)* social equality and respect for the individual in the community (pol. sc.)

I (and the rest of the world) disagree. America is a democratic republic. But then you anarchists have a world all your own with its own definitions? Careful you don't walk too close to the edge and fall off.

 

[David]

I (and the rest of the world) disagree. America is a democratic republic. But then you anarchists have a world all your own with its own definitions? Careful you don't walk too close to the edge and fall off.

Democracy - Rule by the people. Not elected gov't, the PEOPLE.

 

[chuck schmidt]

Democracy - Rule by the people. Not elected gov't, the PEOPLE.

Care to define your terminology? Does that mean a majority of any group rules? Isn't that royalty, or feudalism?

Oh, BTW, why the big, bold, underlined emphasis? Do you have a cataract problem? :giggle:

 

[David]

Care to define your terminology? Does that mean a majority of any group rules? Isn't that royalty, or feudalism?

Oh, BTW, why the big, bold, underlined emphasis? Do you have a cataract problem? :giggle:

The minority ruled in feudalism.

And I was hoping (false hope apparently) to help you understand the definition. Why do I bother? A liberal understanding reality... Riigggghhhhhht.

 

[chuck schmidt]

The minority ruled in feudalism.

Read more carefully. Do concentration at point of encounter and dispersal of the opposition mean anything to you? I wrote about majority within a group.

And I was hoping (false hope apparently) to help you understand the definition. Why do I bother? A liberal understanding reality... Riigggghhhhhht.

Sounds kinda hostile. Oh well.

 

[David]

Read more carefully. Do concentration at point of encounter and dispersal of the opposition mean anything to you? I wrote about majority within a group.

Sounds kinda hostile. Oh well.

Ether your being a troll or you're just so far gone that you can't see past whatever propaganda you're being fed. In any case I'll not bother with you anymore. Not worth it. :smug:

 

[chuck schmidt]

Ether your being a troll or you're just so far gone that you can't see past whatever propaganda you're being fed. In any case I'll not bother with you anymore. Not worth it. :smug:

Either that or your frustration level is low and you are unwilling to define what you mean by government by the (upper case, bold, underlined) people, as opposed to representatives of them?

Looks like I win! :giggle:

 

[myp]

Ether your being a troll or you're just so far gone that you can't see past whatever propaganda you're being fed. In any case I'll not bother with you anymore. Not worth it. :smug:

Either that or your frustration level is low and you are unwilling to define what you mean by government by the (upper case, bold, underlined) people, as opposed to representatives of them?

Looks like I win! :giggle:

Take it easy you two, we don't a fight or flame war starting out of this. Maybe it is best to just drop this for the time being. And Chuck, there are no winners and losers in an unmoderated debate driven simply by the quest for knowledge and exchange of ideas.