Way back when the US didn't have much in the way of international competition, the mediocre government school system had less of a negative effect. Now, we can't afford the poor performance anymore - the K12 schools need to be completely privatized so that they can perform better and make us more competitive.
Universal Privatized Education
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Privatized no, done away with entirely, yes.
I have my own ideas if you're interested in hearing them.
What would be the funding formula, and what would be a reasonable profit margin? Just like in other common areas of activity by the government (parks, garbage, policing, fire, sewers, utilities, emergency health care) there is obviously room for private enterprise involvement. The question always is who pays the companies providing the schools and how do you avoid jacking up the price of education.
Any large organization builds up bureaucracy and red tape (look at the top HMOs) so large education corporations would not be much more efficient than public boards (especially as time goes by). They would also have a care of duty to maximize profits for their shareholders while providing a competitive service.
What the health care mess has shown is that a mixed public/private system can easily incorporate the worst, rather than the best, of both systems. We would have to be very careful to avoid a similar mess if education reform went in a similar direction.
Any large organization builds up bureaucracy and red tape (look at the top HMOs) so large education corporations would not be much more efficient than public boards (especially as time goes by). They would also have a care of duty to maximize profits for their shareholders while providing a competitive service.
What the health care mess has shown is that a mixed public/private system can easily incorporate the worst, rather than the best, of both systems. We would have to be very careful to avoid a similar mess if education reform went in a similar direction.
One problem with public or private education is they get to choose what garbage get be inserted in brains of children. Just like the old left-wing professors from the 60s. They stayed in school to keep from being drafted. The rest went to war when called. So who ended up with a ready made platform for teaching their views for the last 50 years?
Thing is e need to rethink education at the fundamental level. Right now it's a ranked system with education slowly advancing as a student rises ever higher.
There are a number of problems with this:
1. Younger students actually learn better (assuming you can keep their attention) yet older students receive a more advanced education. Take advantage of a child's ability to learn and you could cut primary education from 13 years to as few as 7. 1 needs only look at 9 year old university students to know it's possible.
2. The idea that a student can only learn so much and only certain things depending on their age is just idiotic. We need to throw out standardized education (mostly, basic math and language still needs to be taught) and shift our focus to teaching to a student's strengths. No need teaching world history to a student with no plans on ever leaving the US or engaging in politics but if they want to be a scientist and show a strength in math, science (which they'll want to learn) and math (which they'll have little to no difficulty with and which plays into their interest) classes need to be shown emphasis. Maintain other subjects as secondary and they'll have the fundamentals down if they ever change their mind and need to change the direction of their education. Such a strategy will have more willing students and graduates going into secondary education already specialized in the subject or even masters of their major.
Just like any other service - what the maket dictates.
The cost of education would go DOWN, minus the top-heavy administrative layers of government schools, further, the competition among private firms, absent in the government semi-monopoly, would drive prices down. Right now, the government schools are like the OPEC of education.
Totally backwards - it is precisely BECAUSE private firms operate in an atmosphere of competition that they have every incentive to eliminate waste, totally absent in government schools, which have a blank check signed by the taxpayers.
Reality disagrees with you. The medical sector and rising tuition at private schools indicate that your idea sucks.
The current miniscule private "boutique" school system has absolutely NOTHING to do with the functioning of a universal privatized system coupled with the government school semi-monopoly ended.
Ever heard of economies of scale?
So Patrick is apparently eliminating education altogether for children in poor neighborhoods, since the community would not be able to afford a private school (barring the odd exception like a successful small businessman or drug dealer) in a free market. I don't see how that will help stop the coalescing of class in America (reduced social mobility).
Economies of scale often allows a much bigger company to squeeze out a small competitor, even when the bigger company is more inefficient. Patrick should really read up on the practical parts of economics, rather than just the idealized basic theories of the neo-conservatives.
Finally, there is no incentive for a fully privatized system to stay honest. A private school wishing to maximize profit will want to attract students so an easy way to do so would be to issue easy As and thus please the parents paying for their kids schooling. How is this any better than the current public system?
So Patrick is apparently eliminating education altogether for children in poor neighborhoods, since the community would not be able to afford a private school (barring the odd exception like a successful small businessman or drug dealer) in a free market. I don't see how that will help stop the coalescing of class in America (reduced social mobility).
Economies of scale often allows a much bigger company to squeeze out a small competitor, even when the bigger company is more inefficient. Patrick should really read up on the practical parts of economics, rather than just the idealized basic theories of the neo-conservatives.
Finally, there is no incentive for a fully privatized system to stay honest. A private school wishing to maximize profit will want to attract students so an easy way to do so would be to issue easy As and thus please the parents paying for their kids schooling. How is this any better than the current public system?
Fanned the air on that one, Sparky. Poor children would be provided vouchers by the government. The government simply doesn't OPERATE the schools - get it?
Baloney - economies of scale allow companies to edge out other companies who aren't efficient.
I'm guessing I've FORGOTTEN more economics than you'd ever know if you lived to be 100.
More baloney from you - schools would be rated by acrediting agencies - your thesis assumes parents are morons.
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