Gay Marriage - accepted or not?

[David]

I will be honest, it is not at the top of my worry list. But if they stopped letting anyone get married at the courthouse it would not worry me either. Marriage has always been more of a religious process to me anyway.

But that's jut it, it' not religious. Honestly I'm with you, being single and straight this is doubly irrelevant to me. Rather the issue for me isn't so much that homosexuals can't get married as it is homosexuals are being denied the right to do something anyone else can simply because of their choice of bedroom activities.

 

[TortoiseDream]

You need to ask myp for the anarchist title.

Don't tell me what to do!

 

[george]

gay marriage should not be accepted. i m not tlaking baout it as per religion expect, but i am a doctor, and we all are humans, we are deisgned to marriage between man and woman. God created us all according to our needs, y to change the laws? y to play games with ourselves?

 

[DodgeFB]

gay marriage should not be accepted. i m not tlaking baout it as per religion expect, but i am a doctor, and we all are humans, we are deisgned to marriage between man and woman. God created us all according to our needs, y to change the laws? y to play games with ourselves?

In my opinion it is too late! It has gone too far to stop it now. We can only accept it or not accept it in our own personal lives.

 

[moggo]

not accepted

 

[David]

gay marriage should not be accepted. i m not tlaking baout it as per religion expect, but i am a doctor, and we all are humans, we are deisgned to marriage between man and woman. God created us all according to our needs, y to change the laws? y to play games with ourselves?

God didn't create us, random (and mostly bad) mutations over 4.5 billion years did. Just be glad women aren't popping out babies on their own (something that has started to increasingly happen over the past few years, though not in mammals yet), otherwise we men would get left out in the cold like yesterday's garbage.

 

[skeptic-f]

Gay marriage will be a great social experiment that both the liberal and the conservative should embrace. If the liberal is right, gay couples will end up being very little different from straight couples and the percentage of 'outlaw' gays will decline as society accepts gays. If the conservative is right, the deviance of their sexuality will doom the gay couple's family unit and they will have a much higher rate of divorce than straights (although that could be difficult) and tragedy.

 

[CatholicCrusader]

Gay Marriage - accepted or not?

My offical position:

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection .

Source: LINK

 

[Hair]

My offical position:

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection .

Source: LINK

Interesting. Your saying that marriage is simple not an option, because the choice shouldn't be there in the first place?

Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained.

I disagree with this sentence.

I believe that it is a choice, and some people are indeed born with it others learn to enjoy it. I've meet people that if you get them to drink enough they will do anything. I've met people who will do anything for there love of money. I've met people who are open minded and enjoyed a good experience.

I think it's the same with drinking a beverage. People learn to like the taste of straight vodka because it gets them drunk.

The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible.

I can't say I'm up to date with all these issues, but I can tell you that 3.5% of the American population isn't a small number of people.
In the UK: 1% were gay or lesbian and 0.5% were bisexual. A further 0.5% self-identified as "other", and 3% responded as "do not know" or refused to answer.
(Statics taken from Demographics of sexual orientation and LGBT demographics of the United States

 

[myp]

A few points:

-Everyone is not religious, does not believe in God, and is not Christian. Therefore, any answer based on Christian texts is irrelevant unless you think everyone should be a Christian. In that case though, you have a bigger issue to deal with first

-Homosexuality is not limited to the human race

-There is no notable difference in the chemicals released by the body during consentual intercourse whether it be between members of the same or opposite sex.

 

[DodgeFB]

-There is no notable difference in the chemicals released by the body during consentual intercourse whether it be between members of the same or opposite sex.

I never cared enough to check that out! A tip of the hat to you.

 

[CatholicCrusader]

........I believe that it is a choice, and some people are indeed born with it others learn to enjoy it. I've meet people that if you get them to drink enough they will do anything...........

Just to zoom in on this part of your post:

Its interesting that you mentioned drinking because I often make the analogy of alcoholics.

Alcoholism is a disorder too, and Biblically, drunkeness is a sin. Yet many alcoholics can stay clean and sober, and we do not hate alcoholics simply because they are alcoholics. Yet we cannot condone revelling in such behavior either.

Just "being born that way" is no excuse. Kleptomaniacs can't just say "I was born this way so stealing is natural and okay."

My quote was perfectly balanced: The first paragraph tells it like it is regarding the issue, yet the second paragraph says we should not be mean or unjust to homosexuals. Its the old "Hate the sin, love the sinner" sort of thing.

Now, I did approach this from sort of a religious perspective, but I could approch it from the perspective of Natural Law too. The most base instinct of any species is to procreate and perpetuate the species. That drive is extremely powerful in all creatures. Therefore, if you have an aversion to copulating with the opposite sex, that is rightly called a disorder. It goes against the normal drive to procreate which is inherrant in all living things

 

[CatholicCrusader]

-Everyone is not religious, does not believe in God, and is not Christian. Therefore, any answer based on Christian texts is irrelevant unless you think everyone should be a Christian. In that case though, you have a bigger issue to deal with first

1) The three main monotheistic religions condemn homosexal behavior. That covers a lot of ground. Plus, people who do not believe in God make up a fraction of the human race.

2) That is why I mentioned Natural Law in my other post. Plus: The mention of it being a disorder in my first psot has nothing to do with religion. Disorders are a medical diagnosis, not theologocal.

-Homosexuality is not limited to the human race

Thats a canard.

We are talking about normality. Birds lay eggs and let them hatch. Thats normal. So since it happens in nature, would it follow that it would be normal for a lady to lay an egg and hatch a baby? After all, laying eggs is natural in nature, right? Of course not! What is normal for one species can be abnormal in the extreme for another.

 

[myp]

Except homosexuality is arguably normal as it has existed throughout the course of our history and in substantial numbers. Saying it isn't normal is just like saying having red hair is not normal.

As for religion and homosexuality- why limit it to the three monotheistic religions? They are not the only religions and non-religion is still pretty prevalent (wikipedia lists ~1.1 billion- not the best source, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is that high. You also leave out Buddhists and Hindus which are at least another 2 billion people). Not accepting homosexuality on a basis of religion is only limited to those practicing said religions and even then, I know people in those religions who are officially part of the religion yet still accept homosexuality. Either way, religion shouldn't be the primary argument against homosexuality, especially on the governing level (i.e. allowing legal gay marriage) since everyone is not the same religion or religious at all.

 

[CatholicCrusader]

>>>>>

You should give this a read: LINK

 

[myp]

>>>>>

You should give this a read: LINK

That doesn't answer my points and it is clearly a biased site. Also, only applicable to Catholics who believe in that.

 

[CatholicCrusader]

Its applicable to anyone with a lick of common sense

 

[myp]

Its applicable to anyone with a lick of common sense

The "statistics" it tries to give are arguable and even then, it is not your right to decide what is best for others. The stance on homosexuality only pertains to the Catholic Church. The majority of the world is not Catholic.

 

[Hair]

Its applicable to anyone with a lick of common sense

Although I approve of all religion (It's something that helps people live there daily lives) this is a horrible statement to make. To assume that anyone without common sense isn't Christian is (in my opinion) as insulting as saying that anyone without common sense is Muslim.

(Anyone feel like a new topic on this discussion?)

 

[DodgeFB]

(Anyone feel like a new topic on this discussion?)

Heck I don't care. You are a leader take it where you think it belongs.