Types of people dealt by God

[dattaswami]

Types of people dealt by God

There are five types of people in this world dealt by God. The first type people have real love towards God and sacrifice practically to God. The Lord rewards them with infinite and real fruit. The second type of people sacrifice practically but want to achieve ten times more. Such people are businessmen. They invest little and aspire for more profit. The Lord returns back whatever such people sacrificed. The Lord also gives the extra expected by them but that extra is from their account only.

The good result of a good deed to be enjoyed in the future birth is drawn back with reduced value and is given as the extra, which was aspired by the people. All this process takes place without the knowledge of the people. The third type of the people sacrifice words by prayers and feelings throw devotion without any practical sacrifice. Such people are in the path of a prostitute who also sacrifices sweet words and sweet feelings to extract something practically from a person. The Lord fulfills their aspiration by drawing the good result of their good deal from their future birth. The fourth type of people are atheists.

They enjoying the world created by the Lord and abuse the Lord. The Lord will keep silent towards them in this world. The Lord uses the atheists to test His devotees. He will observe whether such atheists can affect His devotee. Later on the atheist will be severely punished by the Lord. The fifth type of people neither recognizes nor abuses the Lord. They simply enjoy the world without bothering about the Lord. The Lord will throw such people into the births of animals, birds, worms etc. In such births one can enjoy the world without worrying about the Lord.

 

[mogur]

Well, dattaswami... i belie you (there might be a missing v, there). I am a worm, and you are a worm. We're equal. Except that I don't have magical underwear.

 

[dattaswami]

animal birth...

Well, dattaswami... i belie you (there might be a missing v, there). I am a worm, and you are a worm. We're equal. Except that I don't have magical underwear.

God is loving every soul and is helping every soul in this world. He never hates any soul. The punishment in the hell is also to reduce madness of materialism of the soul. Suppose, one son becomes mad, the father will take him to the doctor and admits him in the mental hospital where shock treatments are given. Can you say that the father is angry with the son? Similarly, the hell is for the last sort of trial to transform the soul. The madness is never cured and the son has to be retained in the hospital only forever.



Same is the concept of the permanent hell. These souls cannot be brought into this world because they will bring Chaos in this world, just like the mad son cannot be brought out of the hospital into the society. Some souls are born as birds, animals etc., Here also only the love of God reflects. As a human being the soul was always interested in eating, drinking and sex only. The soul never turned to God. In such case there is no use of the intelligence of the human category, which is meant for analysis of truth. Therefore, the soul is placed in the cycle of animals, which are also happy like the human beings in eating, drinking and sex only. The human being may think that he may loose his beautiful wife and may have to live with a she-buffalo if he is born as he-buffalo. But the point is that when the soul is born as he-buffalo, the she-buffalo is as beautiful as the present ‘Miss world’!.

The grass will be as tasty as the sweet dish in the meals today. The soul cannot estimate the happiness of the animal while remaining in the human body. The same happiness is received by the souls in all types of bodies from eating, drinking and sex. What ever he desired, that is given to him by God without any disturbance. In the human life the spiritual knowledge is often disturbing him in achieving the continuous happiness from eating, drinking and sex. Therefore, God favored the soul by such animal-birth and this is not punishing the soul.

This means God is helping even His enemies. A father will never harm his issue even if it opposes him. He wants always the happiness of the child continuously. The devoted souls want to be with God and derive the divine bliss constantly. God provides opportunity for such devotees also to make them happy constantly by guiding them in achieving the real and highest devotion to Him. Therefore, you can see the same love of God on a devoted soul staying in His abode as an angel and also on a he-buffalo enjoying with the she-buffalo in a mud pond. Both are continuously happy in their own fields! At last God provided what ever the child desired. Of course He tried to convert the soul in the he-buffalo into an angel. When He failed in all His efforts, He has sanctioned the firm desire of the soul. Therefore, God helped all the souls, whether those loved Him or not.

 

[zoldos]

Types of people dealt by God
The fourth type of people are atheists.

They enjoying the world created by the Lord and abuse the Lord. The Lord will keep silent towards them in this world. The Lord uses the atheists to test His devotees. He will observe whether such atheists can affect His devotee. Later on the atheist will be severely punished by the Lord.

So being an Atheist, I "abuse" the Lord? Can you please explain in what way? I am a nice person, I don't lie, cheat, or steal. I work hard and help those in need. I live a modest, peaceful life. Why am I going to be "severely punished"?

 

[dattaswami]

So being an Atheist, I "abuse" the Lord? Can you please explain in what way? I am a nice person, I don't lie, cheat, or steal. I work hard and help those in need. I live a modest, peaceful life. Why am I going to be "severely punished"?

God doesn’t mind even atheism provided the justice is maintained in the society
If God and hell are not accepted, the sin will grow to climax

Miracles only prove the existence of unimaginable God. Anybody including the demon demonstrating the miracles is in the service of God to establish the existence of God to an atheist. Miracles exist widely with God in human form, devotees and even evil demons. Establishment of existence of original unimaginable God is the fundamental subject that needs wide publicity and hence God has spread miracles in wide range. Once the existence of God is accepted, the atheist becomes theist. This is the foundation step.

Even Shankara spent all His life in the first step only to convert atheistic Purvamimamsakas and Buddhists. Existence of God is needed even to establish Pravrutti through creating fear for hell. If God and hell are not accepted, the sin will grow to climax in a slow and steady way. Atheists promise to follow justice even without faith in God, but such promise is not having strong basis and it can be violated at any time. God doesn’t mind even atheism provided the justice is maintained in the society. But there is always a possibility of violation of justice if the hell disappears from the mind. When you are provoked to do injustice, at least the concept of hell and God will control you to certain extent. At least the percentage of people committing sins will be reduced. Of course, the concept of God and hell is not bringing the percentage to Zero, but if that concept is totally absent, by one day or other the percentage will be hundred.

For this point only, God comes down to establish His existence and there by create the fear for hell so that at least the percentage of sin and injustice comes to a minimum level, though complete eradication is impossible. God is not at all bothered to establish Himself for the sake of Nivrutti. If the society runs completely on justice, He will not mind even if all the human beings are atheists.

 

[zoldos]

I respect your beliefs and opinions. But you didn't answer my question. You said being an Atheist I "abuse the Lord" and will be "severely punished" but then in your reply you said God doesn't mind Atheism.

I'm not going to spend my life afraid of "going to hell". I will live life to the fullest and continue being a nice person like I always have.

 

[dattaswami]

I respect your beliefs and opinions. But you didn't answer my question. You said being an Atheist I "abuse the Lord" and will be "severely punished" but then in your reply you said God doesn't mind Atheism.

I'm not going to spend my life afraid of "going to hell". I will live life to the fullest and continue being a nice person like I always have.

This universe is infinite. I am unable to show the existence of these super worlds to you. I accept my incapability. But you are also incapable to prove directly the non-existence of these super worlds. Have you taken all over the universe and said, " Here ends the universe. Beyond this point there is no universe. This is the compound wall of the space. Your super world does not exist anywhere’’. Therefore, there is equal chance for the existence and non-existence of the super worlds according to the theory of probability.

Now let us analyse of our cases. Both of us are eating to live. The basic needs are satisfied in the cases of both of us. You have spent extra time also in earning more money, which may give you some problems of health like sugar, B.P etc., due to over enjoying. I have not earned more money and I am healthy due to normal food. None of us will carry the money with us after death. The money given to the children may also be lost in several ways. Therefore, I do not find much difference between us, once the basic needs are satisfied. I am poor because I have spent my extra time in the service of God.

Suppose after my death, you are correct and there are no super worlds. In such case what I have lost? There is no loss for me. But after your death, suppose I am correct and there are super worlds. You have lost every thing and God will not save you. Thus, even on accepting your argument, based on the equal probability, it is better to serve the Lord by sacrificing the extra time and energy for the Lord after earning the basic needs. You must read the theory of probability, which is perfectly a scientific theory.

 

[myp]

This universe is infinite. I am unable to show the existence of these super worlds to you. I accept my incapability. But you are also incapable to prove directly the non-existence of these super worlds. Have you taken all over the universe and said, " Here ends the universe. Beyond this point there is no universe. This is the compound wall of the space. Your super world does not exist anywhere’’. Therefore, there is equal chance for the existence and non-existence of the super worlds according to the theory of probability.

Now let us analyse of our cases. Both of us are eating to live. The basic needs are satisfied in the cases of both of us. You have spent extra time also in earning more money, which may give you some problems of health like sugar, B.P etc., due to over enjoying. I have not earned more money and I am healthy due to normal food. None of us will carry the money with us after death. The money given to the children may also be lost in several ways. Therefore, I do not find much difference between us, once the basic needs are satisfied. I am poor because I have spent my extra time in the service of God.

Suppose after my death, you are correct and there are no super worlds. In such case what I have lost? There is no loss for me. But after your death, suppose I am correct and there are super worlds. You have lost every thing and God will not save you. Thus, even on accepting your argument, based on the equal probability, it is better to serve the Lord by sacrificing the extra time and energy for the Lord after earning the basic needs. You must read the theory of probability, which is perfectly a scientific theory.

You are arguing for Pascal's wager: http://www.politicalfray.com/showthread.php?t=3063

 

[dattaswami]

You are arguing for Pascal's wager: http://www.politicalfray.com/showthread.php?t=3063

The invisible hell can be established to a scientist through the concept of infinite space also even without the unimaginable miracle. I have not shown the hell to the scientist in the infinite space. But the scientist has also not shown the limits of this infinite space so that I can be sure about the absence of hell anywhere in the space. This brings 50-50 probability of non-existence and existence of hell. If the hell is non-existent and if still I am careful in not doing the sin, I have not lost anything. Moreover, I am benefited in not having any tension due to fear from court of law here in doing the sin. If there is hell, the scientist will be punished terribly in the hell apart from the tension of sin here. In this way also, the cosmic vision introducing the infinite space gives knowledge of the probable hell to control sin.

 

[myp]

The invisible hell can be established to a scientist through the concept of infinite space also even without the unimaginable miracle. I have not shown the hell to the scientist in the infinite space. But the scientist has also not shown the limits of this infinite space so that I can be sure about the absence of hell anywhere in the space. This brings 50-50 probability of non-existence and existence of hell. If the hell is non-existent and if still I am careful in not doing the sin, I have not lost anything. Moreover, I am benefited in not having any tension due to fear from court of law here in doing the sin. If there is hell, the scientist will be punished terribly in the hell apart from the tension of sin here. In this way also, the cosmic vision introducing the infinite space gives knowledge of the probable hell to control sin.

How is that a response to what I posted? I am starting to think all of your posts are just copy/pasted. We do not allow spam, knock it off if that is the case.

 

[dattaswami]

How is that a response to what I posted? I am starting to think all of your posts are just copy/pasted. We do not allow spam, knock it off if that is the case.

It is true that a few people exploited the concept of God for personal benefits. But, based on the few exceptions, you should not remove the basic system itself. A few railway accidents happen and due to such accidents, you should not cancel all the trains. You should concentrate to avoid the accidents. Similarly, some students might have copied in the examinations. Try to catch, such students. But, do not remove the system of examination itself. The system serves majority, doing lot of good. You forget the vast positive side of the system based on the minor negative side. The concept of God controls the sin in the society. If the concept of God is removed, lot of people will do lot of sins since already the ways to escape the punishment in courts are already available. The society will be crushed into pieces in the absence of the fear for sin. If God disappears, the hell disappears subsequently.

The concept of sin will drown and destroy the society like a Tsunami. However, this does not mean that the concept of God is again a created view only to save the society. Such conclusions are not correct. The concept of God is basically true and we have explained the positive side of such concept. It is a real concept and hence, the positive side is also real. Of course, the minor negative side is also real and control should be implemented to check-up such negative exploitations.

 

[myp]

Yea, I'm pretty sure you aren't reading most of our posts and I looked up several of your posts on Google and they are all copied from other sites. Sorry, but if you can't come up with original thoughts, this isn't the place for you. I think most people here do not want to talk to bots. Goodbye.

 

[zoldos]

Thank you myp.

 

[clax]

So being an Atheist, I "abuse" the Lord? Can you please explain in what way? I am a nice person, I don't lie, cheat, or steal. I work hard and help those in need. I live a modest, peaceful life. Why am I going to be "severely punished"?

the only way to salvation is through the lord, very clearly stated in the bible. you may be a good person but you don't think you need salvation, so why do you see "hell" as punishment, that is just where people go who are not saved. We Christians call it damnation, because we seek salvation from the only one who can give it, I don't see your conflict you reject Jesus and salvation but you want salvation? it isnt clear. if you find a world without a God as a good thing then you might actually like hell, but that is as i define it, i.e. distance from God.

not desiring salvation is not abuse, abuse is mockery of his people. what you are doing by being atheist is saying you have no need for salvation, churches tend to browbeat you into following their moral guide, but doesn't every organization do that. remember when dealing with us theists you have religion and you have God, sometimes they agree sometimes they dont.

 

[clax]

I respect your beliefs and opinions. But you didn't answer my question. You said being an Atheist I "abuse the Lord" and will be "severely punished" but then in your reply you said God doesn't mind Atheism.

I'm not going to spend my life afraid of "going to hell". I will live life to the fullest and continue being a nice person like I always have.

i am interested in this conversation, even though myp says that the posts were by cut and paste. you are insightful and i am fascinated by your perspective, i will continue to have discussion if you are interested. my position is from a christian point of view, but i think that will benefit the discussion.

 

[zoldos]

the only way to salvation is through the lord, very clearly stated in the bible. you may be a good person but you don't think you need salvation, so why do you see "hell" as punishment, that is just where people go who are not saved. We Christians call it damnation, because we seek salvation from the only one who can give it, I don't see your conflict you reject Jesus and salvation but you want salvation? it isnt clear. if you find a world without a God as a good thing then you might actually like hell, but that is as i define it, i.e. distance from God.

not desiring salvation is not abuse, abuse is mockery of his people. what you are doing by being atheist is saying you have no need for salvation, churches tend to browbeat you into following their moral guide, but doesn't every organization do that. remember when dealing with us theists you have religion and you have God, sometimes they agree sometimes they dont.

I don't see Hell as punishment, I was merely quoting the original poster. I don't believe in God so naturally I don't believe in Heaven or Hell.

 

[clax]

Well, dattaswami... i belie you (there might be a missing v, there). I am a worm, and you are a worm. We're equal. Except that I don't have magical underwear.

What magical underwear? I haven't heard about any christians that have magic underwear.

 

[clax]

I don't see Hell as punishment, I was merely quoting the original poster. I don't believe in God so naturally I don't believe in Heaven or Hell.

I feel that this needs to be said, i don't know how the original poster sees it, but this is how i see it. God is the arbitor of who gets into heaven, and who dose not. We can guess at it but that violates christian princaples passing judgement is sinful, and i can think of nothing that exemplifies judgement more than a mortal man condemning someone to hell based on sin of ommision.

My thoughts are that God is infinite forgiveness, that means sins, all sins, can be forgiven, so an atheist could get to heaven, but I don't know, i have never died, so I can't speak from wisdom about the afterlife.

I state my opinion because people have a tendency to think all christians think like the loudmouths. Not enough of us stand up and call a fool a fool. I think it is attributed to christians feeling threatened by academia and science moving farther from God and they fear obsolescence, when we need to adapt and over come. Maybe admit the bible is poetry ment to guide us rather than a history book that is impervious to flaw. We need to embrace science and accept that others don't believe what we do, and that it dosen't matter what you do for your god, gods, or lack there of.

I know you addressed this to the poster, but i addressed my statement to people like you. Who from the conversations I have had with you, is truly openminded, and if you can be, I can be.