What is God?

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clax, et al,

This is correct; but maybe not for the reason you think.

But not in spirituality. It is really nothing in spirituality
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What is spirituality (as used here, religious experience)? http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/religious-experience/

We can relate a religious experience; we can describe it, categorize it and even interpret it (to some degree). But we cannot say I want a religious experience of a certain type and kind, set the conditions, and produce it. This is because we do not understand what a religious experience really is. And, unfortunately, you cannot use an "unknown quantity" as evidence of something in reality.

The investigation of cognitive spiritual/religious experiences, mysticism, magic, and event attributed to divine intervention (miracles), as well as the more technical constructs and phenomena fall under a special study grouping of Parapsychology [(which includes Paranormal Activity)(apparitional experiences, clairvoyance, near-death experiences, telepathic communication, precognition abilities, psychokinesis energy, and past life regression/reincarnation, to name just a few Hollywood popular weirdness that people believe)].

It is yet to be determined what the impact of the VMAT-2 (God Gene) will fall under in the vast array of studies.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
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clax, et al,

All things in reality exist.

Favorite colors foods, art and all non science doesn't exist?
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But some things are subjective, as oppose to objective.

Sensory appreciation of color, the taste of foods, the beauty of art, are not fully understood. Clear some are acquired, while others are mental assessments.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
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Yet...this discussion seems to be about the validity of religion in the realm of science. Thus a focus on what can be shown as fact.
 
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Yet...this discussion seems to be about the validity of religion in the realm of science. Thus a focus on what can be shown as fact.

It seems to be a very philosophical discussion to me.

Science can't even prove there is a God so it really is an inefficient tool to answer a question as spiritual and philosophical as "what is God?" The question hinges on the notion that God is, science says (according to some) God isn't. So it has no business in this discussion
 
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It seems to be a very philosophical discussion to me.

Science can't even prove there is a God so it really is an inefficient tool to answer a question as spiritual and philosophical as "what is God?" The question hinges on the notion that God is, science says (according to some) God isn't. So it has no business in this discussion

Science does not attempt to "Prove" something found to be flawed in hypothesis. If there is no ability to experiment, or validate in any way a theory does not develop.
 

myp

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Science can't even prove there is a God so it really is an inefficient tool to answer a question as spiritual and philosophical as "what is God?" The question hinges on the notion that God is, science says (according to some) God isn't. So it has no business in this discussion

Why must you have an answer to every question? Science says we don't know. Some data might suggest God does not exist, but we do not have a conclusion on it.

IF you are asking this question from a matter of truth- the answer knowing what we know is, we don't have an answer.
 
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this really had nothing to do with anything I said, but I don't think you understand.

I'm not the 1 who doesn't understand. ;) 'Opinions' are nothing more then a bioelectric chemical reaction as our brains try to make sense of our environments. Informed opinions are an analysis of facts, while uniformed opinions (usually emotional in nature) are basically stuff that we just make up as we go.

As for opinions themselves, refer to my previous post.
 

myp

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I'm not the 1 who doesn't understand. ;) 'Opinions' are nothing more then a bioelectric chemical reaction as our brains try to make sense of our environments. Informed opinions are an analysis of facts, while uniformed opinions (usually emotional in nature) are basically stuff that we just make up as we go.

As for opinions themselves, refer to my previous post.

He thinks neurophysiology and psychology are two distinct things in that all psych is not at the root neurophysiological. Not sure this will get through to him... correct me if I am wrong clax.
 
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Why must you have an answer to every question? Science says we don't know. Some data might suggest God does not exist, but we do not have a conclusion on it.

IF you are asking this question from a matter of truth- the answer knowing what we know is, we don't have an answer.

It isn't an answer it is my opinion, but you have said that they don't exist, why must I consult science to have an opinion.

Why must I have evidence and proof and scientist collaboration to have an opinion? My opinion is based on my own esoteric experience. It seems like you don't understand what an opinion is.

I don't have to approach a philosophical question from a scientific standpoint.
 
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I'm not the 1 who doesn't understand. ;) 'Opinions' are nothing more then a bioelectric chemical reaction as our brains try to make sense of our environments. Informed opinions are an analysis of facts, while uniformed opinions (usually emotional in nature) are basically stuff that we just make up as we go.

As for opinions themselves, refer to my previous post.

Again, nothing to do with anything I said. Its clear you don't understand.
 

myp

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It isn't an answer it is my opinion, but you have said that they don't exist, why must I consult science to have an opinion.

Why must I have evidence and proof and scientist collaboration to have an opinion? My opinion is based on my own esoteric experience. It seems like you don't understand what an opinion is.

I don't have to approach a philosophical question from a scientific standpoint.

I understand what an opinion is. My opinion is that God does not exist.

But I also understand that IF you want to ask this question from a fact basis, the answer is we don't know. For example, if you are asking "Does God exist?" - the only answer you can give factually is, I don't know.

Now if you are asked "Do you think God exists", that is a whole other ballgame and you can say what your opinion is. For me the answer there is, I am inclined to say no. For you, it is clearly "yes".

Please note the distinction in the 2 questions.
 
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I understand what an opinion is. My opinion is that God does not exist.

But I also understand that IF you want to ask this question from a fact basis, the answer is we don't know. For example, if you are asking "Does God exist?" - the only answer you can give factually is, I don't know.

Now if you are asked "Do you think God exists", that is a whole other ballgame and you can say what your opinion is. For me the answer there is, I am inclined to say no. For you, it is clearly "yes".

Please note the distinction in the 2 questions.

Your two questions are irrelevant, the question was "what is God?" It relies on the opinion that God does exist. In one way or another. It was about that one way or another.

The only fact that exist is that there is no fact. So again why answer a philosophical question with something everybody already knows.

I was answering a philosophical question philosophically. When you consult fact the very question is a paradox, what is God, science can't answer is God? So why bother with this pointless carrying on about fact.

"my opinion is that there is no fact" isn't an opinion. Its a fact and a misuse of the word opinion.
 

myp

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I was answering a philosophical question philosophically. When you consult fact the very question is a paradox, what is God, science can't answer is God? So why bother with this pointless carrying on about fact.

Wait. Who said this is a philosophical question? God either exists or doesn't. If I asked, does the Boogeyman exist or does Santa Claus exist? - is that a philosophical question to you too? The answer is yes or no- it is fact based. Just because you don't know the answer to something does not make it philosophical.

"my opinion is that there is no fact" isn't an opinion. Its a fact and a misuse of the word opinion.
Yea no one said that...

What I did say is that the fact is that there is no conclusive proof for the existence or non-existence of God.
 
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