Straw that broke the camel's back

[Stonewall]

Mounting pressure on the Boy Scouts.....but nothing compares to this enormity! The queen of morality herself....forget this new Francis in the Vatican as far as leadership in moral code, forget what your own heart or morals.....Madonna.....who is everyone's moral compass....is calling for a 'revolution' and for the Boy Scouts.....to change their..."stupid rules."

Wearing a replica of the organization's uniform, Madonna called on the Boy Scouts to lift its ban on gays while also calling for a "revolution" to prevent discrimination and abuse of the gay community.
Speaking Saturday night at the GLAAD Media Awards, Madonna said the Boy Scouts should "change their stupid rules."

http://www.newsmax.com/US/People-Madonna/2013/03/17/id/495045#ixzz2NtyIlBlP

More proof of the absolute degradation of society, since when does anyone in their right or completely insane mind devolve to f'n Madonna for a lecture on morality? Come on! You must be kidding me Madonna, who are you to be calling anyone's rules, stupid?

If you ask me, the Boy Scouts should look at who their adversaries spokespersons are and realize they should hold their ground. Madonna is a moron.

 

[myp]

Your hatred is more shocking to me than anything. The question that comes to me when I read this is not who the hell is Madonna to say what she's saying, but who the hell are you (Stonewall) to say what you are saying about Madonna? After all her opinion is hers and yours is yours, why can't you respect that? Thankfully the 1st amendment protects Madonna's rights to say what she wants.

 

[Stonewall]

Your hatred is more shocking to me than anything.

How disingenuous and intellectually dishonest of you.

The question that comes to me when I read this is not who the hell is Madonna to say what she's saying, but who the hell are you (Stonewall) to say what you are saying about Madonna? After all her opinion is hers and yours is yours, why can't you respect that? Thankfully the 1st amendment protects Madonna's rights to say what she wants.

You'll never ask Madonna why she cannot respect the Boy Scout's opinion on matters..thus I know this is disingenuous hogwash on your part.

Engage on content, your trolling I'm really not interested in.

 

[tecoyah]

Madonna voiced her opinion, the boy scouts are voicing theirs. MYP is voicing his, and you are voicing yours.

Welcome to America.


This forum however, is not America.

Please refrain from debasing other members for stating opinion...subtle or not.

 

[Stonewall]

Madonna voiced her opinion, the boy scouts are voicing theirs. MYP is voicing his, and you are voicing yours.

Welcome to America.


This forum however, is not America.

Please refrain from debasing other members for stating opinion...subtle or not.

Madonna is passing judgement, not giving an opinion. Her accusation that 'abuse and discrimination' require some kind of revolution that needs to focus on the Boy Scouts is misplaced....and considering it's source...wholesale nonsense. Madonna is an absolute joke, she passing judgement on anyone or any entity is the height of hypocrisy.

Her supporters and defenders, defend at your own peril.

For the love of Christ.

 

[David]

Madonna is passing judgement, not giving an opinion. Her accusation that 'abuse and discrimination' require some kind of revolution that needs to focus on the Boy Scouts is misplaced....and considering it's source...wholesale nonsense. Madonna is an absolute joke, she passing judgement on anyone or any entity is the height of hypocrisy.

Her supporters and defenders, defend at your own peril.

For the love of Christ.

Love the moral indignation followed by blasphemy. :giggle:

 

[Stonewall]

I didn't know Madonna still had fans.

 

[tecoyah]

Madonna is passing judgement, not giving an opinion. Her accusation that 'abuse and discrimination' require some kind of revolution that needs to focus on the Boy Scouts is misplaced....and considering it's source...wholesale nonsense. Madonna is an absolute joke, she passing judgement on anyone or any entity is the height of hypocrisy.

Her supporters and defenders, defend at your own peril.

For the love of Christ.

That is better...thank you

 

[myp]

She might be passing judgement (I don't think she is), but so are you about her. Either way, who cares? She can do what she wants. And for the record, I think on this issue it will be you and not her that ends up on the wrong side of history. Let's replace the word gay with black and then I wonder how crazy you might have thought Madonna was for saying what she said.

 

[Stonewall]

That is better...thank you

Please put me on your ignore list, I'll do the same regarding your....'posts.'

 

[Stonewall]

She might be passing judgement (I don't think she is), but so are you about her.

So you don't think she is......after going on about "abuse and discrimination" that calls for a "Revolution",then flat out calling the Boy Scouts policies "stupid"....but you think I am passing judgement on her?

That dog won't hunt myp. Real sorry. I'll go ahead and flat out tell you I'm being judgemental concerning her words and actions....but I won't dance around with an "I don't think she is", she is being flat out judemental and trying to play holier than thou with the BSA...and that is flat out ridiculous. The Boy Scouts have influenced American values for decades and have been a solid foundation and inspiration for countless boys. Madonna is an entertainer who has messaged a lack of morality over her career, a 'judge not' mentality and defiance and yet she has the audacity to point a moral compass at the Boy Scouts?

You take me to task here for passing judgement on Madonna...and yet "don't think" she's passing judgement here in the Boy Scouts? Maybe someday myp, you and I will have a conversation that's genuine. That day obviously isn't today is it.

And I know this is permitted as you used this term yourself...without sanction....you here Sir....are being intellectually dishonest...to the nth degree. We either have a straight up conversation Sir....or we don't. Your call.

Either way, who cares? She can do what she wants. And for the record, I think on this issue it will be you and not her that ends up on the wrong side of history. Let's replace the word gay with black and then I wonder how crazy you might have thought Madonna was for saying what she said.

I care. And yes she can do what she wants.........but not while calling for some needed "Revolution" so the Boy scouts can't do what they want.

I want to know where you stand there, myp. For your opinion also must extend to the Boy Scouts, who cares if their policies oppose Madonna's....or anyone else's? Furthermore, why not extend your race game asking about replacing the word gay with black...why not we replace it with gender, what say we wanted to put young girls in the Boy Scouts? Continue your game and ask if a man can join, what is with the age dicrimination, why is is a 32 year old man or woman for example cannot join the Boy Scouts unless of course as leader or administrator?

Yer dogs ain't huntin, myp. You're making absolutely no sense to me whatsoever, I fail to see anything of content in this respoonse of yours.

Does anyone wish to have an intellectually inspiring conversation?

 

[myp]

She isn't calling for a literal revolution (as in pitchforks and stuff)...

And yes, I think the Boy Scouts should allow gay boys. The boy part defines the group so obviously girls should not be a part of it (and they have the girl scouts), but what you are saying by not allowing gays is very much akin to what you might have said only a few decades ago by not allowing blacks in such an organization. But that is my opinion and I realize that- clearly you think yours is better than others. I'm just saying 30-40 years from now I project that your viewpoints and stances here will very much go in line with what we see the segregationists as today.

Also, you calling anyone who disagrees with you as showing a lack of content just hurts your ethos- but if you want to keep doing it, be my guest, everyone can see your egotistical and childish attitude when you do it (also do you even know what intellectual integrity and honesty are or have you decided to use it against me in every post after I called you out on your blatant disregard for logic a bit ago?).

 

[Stonewall]

She isn't calling for a literal revolution (as in pitchforks and stuff)...

But she is passing judgement going so far as to consider the BSA's policies "stupid" but you cannot even conclude she's passing any judgement whatsoever. Dog ain't huntin, sorry.

And yes, I think the Boy Scouts should allow gay boys. The boy part defines the group so obviously girls should not be a part of it (and they have the girl scouts), but what you are saying by not allowing gays is very much akin to what you might have said only a few decades ago by not allowing blacks in such an organization. But that is my opinion and I realize that- clearly you think yours is better than others. I'm just saying 30-40 years from now I project that your viewpoints and stances here will very much go in line with what we see the segregationists as today.

The boy part defines the group? They also have mission statements that define the group as well, myp, and one of their opinions you seem so willing to allow a Madonna is to oppose homosexuality. You're asking me why Madonna just can't think the way she likes, allow the BSA the same latitude, you seem to be passing judgement yourself here. Oops.

Also, you calling anyone who disagrees with you as showing a lack of content just hurts your ethos- but if you want to keep doing it, be my guest, everyone can see your egotistical and childish attitude when you do it (also do you even know what intellectual integrity and honesty are or have you decided to use it against me in every post after I called you out on your blatant disregard for logic a bit ago?).

Amazing how it becomes about the one posting in here. Amazing that content isn't discussed.....but irrelevant trolling that myp champions is permitted. Nice forum.

 

[tecoyah]

Please put me on your ignore list, I'll do the same regarding your....'posts.'

Unfortunately, I cannot comply....Neither can you.

 

[Stonewall]

Unfortunately, I cannot comply....Neither can you.

That's too bad as I've yet to see any relevant content from your postings. Whatsoever. Is this because you're an administrator that you cannot place me on ignore?

Relevant content nor intellectual curiousity thrive here, as an administrator, why do you think that is? Thanks.

 

[tecoyah]

That's too bad as I've yet to see any relevant content from your postings. Whatsoever. Is this because you're an administrator that you cannot place me on ignore?

Relevant content nor intellectual curiousity thrive here, as an administrator, why do you think that is? Thanks.

Yes, I am charged with policing the forum. As this entails closely watching members that are likely to Flame others, create unacceptable posts, or step over the lines of rules in place, it means I cannot place you (or anyone else)on ignore.

It also means I am held to something of a higher standard, and must avoid commenting on ignorance and generally unpleasant attitudes unless they become a major problem.

Thus, I tend to avoid commentary that may cause the impression of confrontation. You might see this as a lack of interaction with you, personally, as I have decided to avoid communication due to your personality.

The reason you also see it with everyone else here is likely much the same.

 

[Stonewall]

Yes, I am charged with policing the forum. As this entails closely watching members that are likely to Flame others, create unacceptable posts, or step over the lines of rules in place, it means I cannot place you (or anyone else)on ignore.

It also means I am held to something of a higher standard, and must avoid commenting on ignorance and generally unpleasant attitudes unless they become a major problem.

Thus, I tend to avoid commentary that may cause the impression of confrontation. You might see this as a lack of interaction with you, personally, as I have decided to avoid communication due to your personality.

The reason you also see it with everyone else here is likely much the same.

You're not held to any higher standard regarding relevant content, that much is obvious. I couldn't care less if you 'interact' or not, I'm looking for intellectually stimulating conversation, not trollings concerning my personality. Moving on.

 

[myp]

You're not held to any higher standard regarding relevant content, that much is obvious. I couldn't care less if you 'interact' or not, I'm looking for intellectually stimulating conversation, not trollings concerning my personality. Moving on.

You are looking for intellectually stimulating conversation by constantly posting this partisan dribble and then calling other people as not being intellectually dishonest when they call you out on your bias and at times hatred? I suggest you read up on scientific and intellectual discourse as well as debate in general. This is a good resource too: Logical Fallacies and the Art of Debate

Thread locked. We don't need to keep this going.