Fights In Birmingham (England)

[Dirk]

EDL (England Defence League) attacked a mosque in Birmingham a few months ago. UAF (Unite Against Fascism) and other independent anti-fascists helped the members of the mosque to fight off the aggressors.

Over the past few months, there have been continuous clashes between the psuedo-Nazi EDL and various anti-fascist groups.

While i disapprove of UAF, i am a militant anti-fascist myself. It is my opinion that we need to fight to protect members of society from racist violence.

 

[David]

Militance vs militance... I wonder how that's going to turn out?

And I'm quite militant myself, oh joy! Sometimes I wonder how a Right vs. Left war hasn't started yet.

 

[Dirk]

Militance vs militance... I wonder how that's going to turn out?

A second Cable Street, i should imagine.

As for a left/right war, there was in the 80s. Well, in Britain, anyway. Another Conservative Government is coming in, after the next election. So you never know what'll happen.

 

[David]

A second Cable Street, i should imagine.

As for a left/right war, there was in the 80s. Well, in Britain, anyway. Another Conservative Government is coming in, after the next election. So you never know what'll happen.

The last 1 here was in the '6os and the Right won. Thus the RNC being the cesspool that it is today.

 

[Dirk]

The last 1 here was in the '6os and the Right won. Thus the RNC being the cesspool that it is today.

The Labour movement in the US is progressing reasonably steadily at the moment.

 

[I doubt it]

It is instinctive to preserve or "save" life, as an extension it is natural to defend one's self, one's own family unit. Extending farther it is natural instinct to preserve and protect community and defend it from "suspicious" change i.e. anything different or foreign.

Of course this is based in ignorance and fear...but these, I can appreciate as natural instincts and based in survival.

It is also intrinsic to humans to notice any physical difference and as children do, to comment on differences, perhaps based in some logical survival-of-the-fittest-procreate-only-with-the elite instinct, or an instinct to herd together with one's own kind... "PC" approaches often focus on phasing this kind of thinking out.

However, the world is changing, it is no longer necessary to resolve disputes by beating the neighbouring tribe over the head with a dinosaur bone.

It is emerging, in my opinion, that multiculturalism benefits the human race and is the way we should be heading.

One example, the USA makes progress on the back of multicultural knowledge and abilities. People of every race and creed live in that country with comparatively few race issues. By that, I appreciate there are issues, but people are not engaged in inter-race physical war. Their diverse knowledge-base works together to achieve the aims of that country.

The UK also is multicultural and it is government policy to embrace that aspect of society. It used to be socially unacceptable to marry inter-racially. Times have changed. That is commonplace in many societies now.

Apart from my personal feelings that racism is a social injustice and it is abhorrent and ignorant etc, it makes sense to me on many levels to phase racism out. It makes no kind of sense to retain it. But I think this is an issue which will self-resolve over time. The world is getting smaller with technology. I have hope that we will evolve past racism.

I am not militant in support of anything, preferring to use routes established within the political system to challenge injustice. There is almost always a better way to make a point than violence.

 

[David]

One example, the USA makes progress on the back of multicultural knowledge and abilities. People of every race and creed live in that country with comparatively few race issues. By that, I appreciate there are issues, but people are not engaged in inter-race physical war. Their diverse knowledge-base works together to achieve the aims of that country.

That is a resent development. Sectarian and ethnic violence was rampant a few short years ago, my uncle had his vision irreversibly damaged when he stumbled into a race riot on his way to work once.

 

[Dirk]

I feel that when people are set upon by these racist scum, that i have a civil duty to protect human life.

I think your analysis was very accurate. And i respect your point about depending on existing institutions, but i also dislike all this PC rubbish. I'm a militant anti-fascist because i think it's sometimes necessary to physically face them down. I don't believe in letting the Government sort things out - some issues require direct civil action, in my opinion.

 

[David]

I feel that when people are set upon by these racist scum, that i have a civil duty to protect human life.

I think your analysis was very accurate. And i respect your point about depending on existing institutions, but i also dislike all this PC rubbish. I'm a militant anti-fascist because i think it's sometimes necessary to physically face them down. I don't believe in letting the Government sort things out - some issues require direct civil action, in my opinion.

Fighting fire with fire... Sometimes the best way.

 

[Dirk]

Fighting fire with fire... Sometimes the best way.

But not in the case of fire.

 

[David]

But not in the case of fire.

It is actually. You just need to do it right.

 

[Dirk]

It is actually. You just need to do it right.

- I'll go.
- But... it's a raging inferno!
- Never fear - i have an idea.
- Here's the hose.
- No need.
- What's with the match?
- It's time to fight fire with fire...

 

[David]

- I'll go.
- But... it's a raging inferno!
- Never fear - i have an idea.
- Here's the hose.
- No need.
- What's with the match?
- It's time to fight fire with fire...

Crating a fire line is a common practice in fighting large fires. It removes fuel thus stopping a fire's spread. Another strategy is detonating large explosives, the resulting explosion starving the fire of O2.

 

[Dirk]

Crating a fire line is a common practice in fighting large fires. It removes fuel thus stopping a fire's spread. Another strategy is detonating large explosives, the resulting explosion starving the fire of O2.

Oh, i see. Yeah, that makes sense.

Though with more modern buildings, it's more common to let the fire burn and just contain it.

That's because a steel-reinforced building has never before collapsed due to fire.

Oops, my bad. Except for 2. All on the same day. North and South towers of the WTC.

 

[David]

Oh, i see. Yeah, that makes sense.

Though with more modern buildings, it's more common to let the fire burn and just contain it.

That's because a steel-reinforced building has never before collapsed due to fire.

Oops, my bad. Except for 2. All on the same day. North and South towers of the WTC.

I was going to say...

 

[deanhills]

One example, the USA makes progress on the back of multicultural knowledge and abilities. People of every race and creed live in that country with comparatively few race issues. By that, I appreciate there are issues, but people are not engaged in inter-race physical war. Their diverse knowledge-base works together to achieve the aims of that country.

I can't completely agree with this point. It depends where you are in the United States, exactly as it would depend where you are in the UK. Inter-race physical war is still alive. Ditto UK as well. The Netherlands have their problems, so do the Germans, and on and on we go.