“Lying is second nature to Trump" -- Tony Schwartz

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...and hiding something is in no way lying (unless you hide something from the IRS you were supposed to be paying taxes on!).

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That guy should have brought you out from the closet and struck your bones instead of the dumb bird into pieces. :)
 
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7. Jack Holmes is Associate Editor for News & Politics at Esquire.com, where he writes daily and edits the Politics Blog with Charles P. Pierce. He also does a dash of sports and some feature writing. His work has appeared in New York magazine and The Daily Beast.

The following are excerpts from Jack Holmes' June 15, 2018 article headlined "This Is the Quintessential Trump Lie" with subheading "Shameless, easily verifiable, and rooted in the notion that imaginary people are telling him things".

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This is truly a vintage Trumpian lie. As many have pointed out already, assuming the parents of a Korean War veteran were 18 when they were born, those parents would be a minimum of 101 years old today. More likely, they'd be at least 110. The idea that multiple 110-year-old people came up to Donald Trump on the campaign trail to ask him to bring home the remains of their son killed on North Korean soil 63 years prior is just absurd. It's a stirring story, a noble enough sentiment, and, in this case, completely nuts. The president is just saying things again.

In that way, this is a quintessential Trumpian lie: totally shameless, easily verifiable as false, and rooted in the notion that "many people"—who are never defined further, and who you'll never be able to find—are telling the president something that he just happens to agree with himself. How many times in this troubled period in our nation's history have we heard how "many people are saying" something about Donald Trump?

The possibly more worrying thing here is that there was not all that much to immediately gain from the lie, while the related issue was already sort of a victory for the president. It points to the lying being a truly pathological issue, an instinctive mode of operation for a dangerously impulsive man. It's not breaking any new ground to say it, but this is a problematic attribute for the leader of the world's most powerful country. (End excerpts)

Source: https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a21526163/trump-korean-war-parents-lie/
 
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“Lying is second nature to him. More than anyone else I have ever met, Trump has the ability to convince himself that whatever he is saying at any given moment is true, or sort of true, or at least ought to be true.” -- Tony Schwartz, regretting ghostwriting for Donald Trump

“He (Trump) lied strategically. He had a complete lack of conscience about it.” -- Tony Schwartz

(1a) Lying to US farmers that he opened up European Market.

Mary Papenfuss reported that "other than soybeans, agricultural products are off the table, the European Commission says." The following is full text of Mary Papenfuss's July 27, 2018 news report headlined "Trump Boasted To Farmers He Opened European Market. Europe: No, He Didn’t." at https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...ltural-trade-deal_us_5b5bd221e4b0de86f4974cd2

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President Donald Trump said in Iowa on Thursday that he just opened up the European market to U.S. farmers. One problem: Europe disagrees.

“We’re opening things up,” Trump said in Dubuque (video above). “But the biggest one of all happened yesterday ... the EU .... We just opened up Europe for you farmers. You’re not going to be too angry with Trump, I can tell you. You were essentially restricted. You had barriers that really made it impossible for farm products to go in ... you have just gotten yourself one big market that really essentially never existed.”

The European Union’s take was very different.

“On agriculture, I think we’ve been very clear on that — that agriculture is out of the scope of these discussions,” European Commission spokeswoman Mina Andreeva told reporters in Brussels on Friday, The Wall Street Journal reported. Other than what is “explicitly mentioned” in the agreement, “we are not negotiating about agricultural products,” she said.

“When you read the joint statement ... you will see no mention of agriculture as such; you will see a mention of farmers and a mention of soybeans, which are part of the discussions, and we will follow up [on] that,” Andreeva added.

Trump’s boast appears to be an overselling of the agreement he reached with European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, which was announced at the White House on Wednesday. The men agreed to a truce in the confrontation over trade while the two sides negotiate toward common goals. Those include “zero tariffs” and to “reduce barriers and increase trade in services, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, medical products, as well as soybeans.”

Trump hailed it as a “breakthrough agreement,” while Juncker said it was a “good and instructive meeting.”

The U.S. “heavily insisted to insert the whole field of agricultural products” in the negotiations, Juncker later told reporters, according to the Journal. “We refused that because I don’t have a mandate and that’s a very sensitive issue in Europe.”

But U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer told a Senate committee Thursday that “we are negotiating about agriculture, period.”

In Dubuque, Trump described the agreement as “no tariffs, no nothing, free trade.” He said he told the Europeans: “Do me a favor: Would you go out to the farms in Iowa ... would you buy a lot of soybeans right now?” (End text)

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all

I have come to the conclusion upon reflection that Trump believes what he says and thus is not really lying. He is often uninformed and angry however which makes his words seem rather stupid....not what I would hope for in a President.
 
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I have come to the conclusion upon reflection that Trump believes what he says and thus is not really lying. He is often uninformed and angry however which makes his words seem rather stupid....not what I would hope for in a President.

You make sense to the 1/2 degree.
 
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I have come to the conclusion upon reflection that Trump believes what he says and thus is not really lying. He is often uninformed and angry however which makes his words seem rather stupid....not what I would hope for in a President.

"Shameless, easily verifiable, and rooted in the notion that imaginary people are telling him things" -- Jack Holmes, Associate Editor for News & Politics at Esquire.com.

Maybe all the while he really hears voices of imaginary or "invisible people" in his ears. It's high time for him to seek medical help from a witch doctor or exorcist.

God Save the Queen! God Save the President of the United States!
 
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I have come to the conclusion upon reflection that Trump believes what he says and thus is not really lying. He is often uninformed and angry however which makes his words seem rather stupid....not what I would hope for in a President.

Actually, you should not look at him thru conventional glasses, as he is far from a conventional President. He is 100% businessman. The modus operandi is to shoot for a very high goal (i.e. much higher than you really need, and settle for less.

Look at it as "lying" if you so choose, but as long as the American populace is HAPPY at getting a percentage of that very high/unrealistic goal originally set, THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS! :cool:
 
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"Shameless, easily verifiable, and rooted in the notion that imaginary people are telling him things" -- Jack Holmes, Associate Editor for News & Politics at Esquire.com.

Maybe all the while he really hears voices of imaginary or "invisible people" in his ears. It's time for him to seek medical help from a witch doctor.

God Save the Queen! God Save the President of the United States!

Being president in this day of a hyper sensitive media is not easy. Can you imagine if some previous presidents had their every word scrutinized as President Trump's are? It would be interesting, that is for sure.
 
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Being president in this day of a hyper sensitive media is not easy. Can you imagine if some previous presidents had their every word scrutinized as President Trump's are? It would be interesting, that is for sure.

A lot of stuff went on before radio & TV we don't know about.

Imagine even Kennedy under today's scrutiny!!! (i.e. Marilyn Monroe & other womanizing)
 
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A lot of stuff went on before radio & TV we don't know about.

Imagine even Kennedy under today's scrutiny!!! (i.e. Marilyn Monroe & other womanizing)

President John F Kennedy is usually the first one that comes to mind but he's not the only one, by far. Imagine if we heard what was said in the White House of Dwight D Eisenhower before he reluctantly sent troops to protect the students in Little Rock.
 
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The modus operandi is to shoot for a very high goal (i.e. much higher than you really need, and settle for less....

He aims so high that he shoots himself in the foot by bankrupting four of his own companies. :)
 
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He aims so high that he shoots himself in the foot by bankrupting four of his own companies.

Is bankrupting four companies a bad thing? The Trump Organization has had over 500 business entities. Do we talk about his successes?
 
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He aims so high that he shoots himself in the foot by bankrupting four of his own companies. :)

LOL!!! Only FOUR out of how many??? His percentage of successes were pretty darn good!!! FYI: Most new businesses have an 80% failure rate or so!

Plus, sometime companies are simply NOT salvageable! LOOK at Obama's Solynda debacle!!! - hello?!

When companies are not salvageable, if you keep them running, you are just throwing a lot of money in a big pit. Does it make sense to you to continue??? :rolleyes:
 
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It could be interesting to have a topic on the four companies that The Trump Organization had that did go bankrupt. In looking around, it appears that there are actually six bankruptcy filings by companies that Trump owned or had a significant interest in. All of them appear to involve the casinos of Atlantic City. Trump had three casinos there at one time. The Trump Taj Mahal, Trump Plaza, Trump Castle.
 
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It could be interesting to have a topic on the four companies that The Trump Organization had that did go bankrupt. In looking around, it appears that there are actually six bankruptcy filings by companies that Trump owned or had a significant interest in. All of them appear to involve the casinos of Atlantic City. Trump had three casinos there at one time. The Trump Taj Mahal, Trump Plaza, Trump Castle.

Buying casinos at that time was simply bad timing.
 
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Buying casinos at that time was simply bad timing.

It sure seemed like a good idea at the time. There was no lottery. Making book was illegal in most states. There were only a couple places you could bet on the ponies or the dogs. But Trump had to go opulent. He built bigger, fancier, and nicer casinos that all the others. That also translated into more expensive.
 
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