Bernanke: more Fed easing possible

Nov 2010
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Co. Springs, CO
Thank you for posting this, I've not seen this until now.

This is non-sense! I cannot believe he still has his job. How badly must something fail before someone can admit they were wrong?

Lets get rid of the kenishian economics and return to common sense, PLEASE!
 
Nov 2010
137
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Co. Springs, CO
It was funny that CBS’s Scott Pelley said "using techniques that are becoming controversal"

WHAT?! NO! Controversal?

Mr. Pelley please do not be modest, these techniques have been controversal since they were first thought up.
 
Jul 2009
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Port St. Lucie
Thank you for posting this, I've not seen this until now.

This is non-sense! I cannot believe he still has his job. How badly must something fail before someone can admit they were wrong?

Lets get rid of the kenishian economics and return to common sense, PLEASE!

Trickle-Down thinking isn't any better and it's ether or in D.C. Nobody is willing to consider alternatives.
 
Nov 2010
137
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Co. Springs, CO
I think you meant Keynesian by the way :p

Yes I meant keynesian, thank you Myp.

Trickle-Down thinking isn't any better and it's ether or in D.C. Nobody is willing to consider alternatives.

Please explain this Trickle-down thinking that you speak of.

I'm sure I know what I think you mean, but I would like to know what you think you mean.

I do not believe in giving money to the top earners in the hopes that they will pass it along to the people lower on the economic ladder, through spending and hiring. But I do believe it happens on its own naturally and history shows that it works. From what I here Bill Gates hires thousands of people with his company and give lots to charity.

If you are refering to tax breaks for the rich as trickle-down economics you are on a slippery slope. Do you feel that it is giving money to the rich to achieve the trickle-down effect? Some people believe this, but tax breaks are not "giving money", you cannot consider taking less, as giving.
 
Jul 2009
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Port St. Lucie
Yes I meant keynesian, thank you Myp.



Please explain this Trickle-down thinking that you speak of.

I'm sure I know what I think you mean, but I would like to know what you think you mean.

I do not believe in giving money to the top earners in the hopes that they will pass it along to the people lower on the economic ladder, through spending and hiring. But I do believe it happens on its own naturally and history shows that it works. From what I here Bill Gates hires thousands of people with his company and give lots to charity.

If you are refering to tax breaks for the rich as trickle-down economics you are on a slippery slope. Do you feel that it is giving money to the rich to achieve the trickle-down effect? Some people believe this, but tax breaks are not "giving money", you cannot consider taking less, as giving.

The fact is that trickle-down economics (and in the context of gov't policy that is tax-breaks, sorry) doesn't work. You can lower corporate, business and upper class taxes down to nothing, if there's no demand for labor (and in this economy their isn't, thus the lay-offs) then they're not going to hire. It'd be a waste of payroll.

And when their is a labor market? Yes they'll hire but if they were profitable they'd of hired anyway out of need and as they're in the business of making money they'll pay as little as they can while still being able to find willing applicants and will only hire until they have all needed positions filled. Combined with the tax-cuts and the improved production the new help brings they'll increase their profits by a health margin. From a capitalist POV there's nothing wrong with this, it's good business but the only thing that tax break did was give them an incentive to lower wages (to maximize the increase in profits). Maybe it'll help the jobs market if that company was running a slight deficit and needed help pre-tax-cut but unless such companies are a relatively large number nationally (and they're not) the effects will be limited and irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Will they buy more with the increase in profits? Yes but again only to what their market share dictates, so you end up with the same issue that you have with labor.

Economically it's a different story but the economic situation is so poor that 'natural' trickle-down isn't possible. Companies need to be profitable to expand (thus spending more) and increase wages and the handful of major (and thus economically relevant nationally/globally) companies that are are hoarding the profits to line their own pockets and as a nest egg in case the economy suffers another collapse. Until we enter a boom period where everyone is making money hand and fist, it's just not going to happen.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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I don't see why you see this policy decision as a contrast- and the only contrast- to "trickle down" economics.

"Trickle down" usually refers to supply-side thought, which say that reduced taxes will increase economic growth as the population holds more wealth. The theory clearly states that it is a reduction in real taxes that would generate that growth. What is happening today when someone in Washington is trying to follow supply-side theory (as well as what Reagan did) is that they cut marginal tax rates, but continue to spend at deficits. That does not fall in-line with the theory because taxes aren't actually decreased when you do that- the deficit spending actually increases the tax burden as those deficits must be paid via inflation and bond sales at interest.

A real tax cut would mean more businesses would be willing to risk capital in order to try to expand- that capital use would lead to employment. As for your whole bit on maximizing profits, don't forget that labor is a market too and there are downward and upward trends in price driven by supply and demand.

But again, I am not sure why you are arguing the theory you described as "trickle down" in relation to quantitative easing. Look at what the easing tries to do- expand monetary supply; most of it going to the primary dealers through POMO (permanent open market operations). If you have an issue with burden cuts on the big entities in the market to stimulate the market, then how is QE any different? The primary dealers unload treasuries to the Fed every week full well knowing when and how much the Fed will take. That money ends up with those primary dealers at the top.

edit: It is also important to remember here the monetary implications of QE. Bernanke justifies it because he thinks there is deflation and he thinks Japan's mistake was not enough QE and stimulus. The deflation argument is certainly heavily arguable and the "dark side" of this whole scheme is potential hyperinflation, which of course would be disaster.
 
Aug 2010
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Thank you for posting this, I've not seen this until now.

This is non-sense! I cannot believe he still has his job. How badly must something fail before someone can admit they were wrong?

Lets get rid of the kenishian economics and return to common sense, PLEASE!

Keynesian

And agreed

Japan tried for a decade to use government stimulus to jump start the economy

Doing the same thing for a decade with no success suggests the plan is flawed

And just because I love the cliche... the first step to getting out of a hole is to stop digging
 
Apr 2009
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Disunited Queendom
It is inadvisable to make extensive use of Quantative Easing.

There are more effective and less risk-laden ways to pursue economic prosperity. As has been demonstrated both historically and contemporarily.
 
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