Church 'does not own marriage'

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The Church does not "own" marriage nor have the exclusive right to say who can marry, a government minister has said.
Equalities minister Lynne Featherstone said the government was entitled to introduce same-sex marriages, which she says would be a "change for the better".
Her comments come as ministers prepare to launch a public consultation on legalising gay marriage next month.
Traditionalists want the law on marriage to remain unchanged.
Writing in the Daily Telegraph, Ms Featherstone said: "Some believe the government has no right to change it (marriage) at all; they want to leave tradition alone.
'Reflect society' "I want to challenge that view - it is the government's fundamental job to reflect society and to shape the future, not stay silent where it has the power to act and change things for the better."
Ms Featherstone, a Liberal Democrat minister, responded to comments made by Lord Carey, a former Archbishop of Canterbury, who said that "not even the Church" owns marriage.
She said: "(Marriage) is owned by neither the state nor the Church, as the former Archbishop Lord Carey rightly said.
"It is owned by the people."
Ms Featherstone also appealed to people not to "polarise" the debate about same-sex marriages.
"This is not a battle between gay rights and religious beliefs," she said.
"This is about the underlying principles of family, society and personal freedoms."
"Unwarranted slant" Lord Carey, a critic of plans to legalise gay marriage, accused Ms Featherstone of putting an "unwarranted slant" on his words.
"When I said that not even the Church owns it, I meant that the Church has no authority to change the definition of marriage as far as Christian thinking is concerned - there is a givenness to it," he told the newspaper.
"Lynne's logic implies the will of the people is sovereign.
"So let's suppose that in 10 years' time it is proposed that, as people are living in multiples of four, we may call that marriage also."
Earlier this month, Lord Carey said legalising gay marriage would be "an act of cultural and theological vandalism".
However, Ben Summerskill, chief executive of gay, lesbian and bisexual charity Stonewall, said: "Our strong advice to anyone who disagrees with same-sex marriage is not to get married to someone of the same sex."






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I hate talking religion. But I do have an opinion on things like this.

Everyone here knows I believe in God. But I do not believe any preacher, priest, or whatever has the "right" to change the rules of the church because "times are changing". If their church is a God believing church and they believe in the word of God what was true then would be true today. If they no longer believe in the teachings of that church they need to pack it up and start their own. Or they could get a real job.:rolleyes:

And as for the government controlling marriage, they can only control the "contract" they call a marriage. I don't see them forcing any church to perform or recognize something that they feel is wrong. But some will try.
 
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I hate talking religion. But I do have an opinion on things like this.

Everyone here knows I believe in God. But I do not believe any preacher, priest, or whatever has the "right" to change the rules of the church because "times are changing". If their church is a God believing church and they believe in the word of God what was true then would be true today. If they no longer believe in the teachings of that church they need to pack it up and start their own. Or they could get a real job.:rolleyes:

And as for the government controlling marriage, they can only control the "contract" they call a marriage. I don't see them forcing any church to perform or recognize something that they feel is wrong. But some will try.


My opinion is that religion/church and politics/government should be totally seperate.
 
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More and more? They've been doing this for 6,000 years! :p
But now they are more open about it. Church wants to tell government what to do. And the government even took a run at telling churches what to do. That was just "right out there" stuff.:p
 

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But now they are more open about it. Church wants to tell government what to do. And the government even took a run at telling churches what to do. That was just "right out there" stuff.:p

More open about it now? You realize that prior to the modern state the state was often synonymous with the church right? The monarchs thought they were chosen by God (or at least said that), but we even had the church run a lot of the world- think the Holy Roman Empire.
 
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More open about it now? You realize that prior to the modern state the state was often synonymous with the church right? The monarchs thought they were chosen by God (or at least said that), but we even had the church run a lot of the world- think the Holy Roman Empire.
I was speaking about the US. I am having enough trouble with politics here these days. I am done with "global" politics until we can get our act together.

We now have a president that I keep hearing taught constitutional law. Yet he keeps tripping over the constitution or is deliberately chipping away at it. I am not sure. But the world will know which in the next 5 years.:unsure:
 
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