Do we really need to keep obama till 2013?

Patrick · Aug 23, 2011

Why can't obama do the right thing and resign? Note that this did happen with Nixon, and effectively with lyndon johnson who could have run for re-election in 1968, but realized he'd made enough of a mess of things that he had to leave.

Obama will need encouragement - I'd like to see a million protestors on the federal mall chanting "Leave obama leave!" all day.

I realize that the person taking over, Joe Biden, is not exactly an appetizing prospect, but in that regard people should remember that there's nowhere to go but up - obama is certainly the worst US president in history.

myp · Aug 23, 2011

You see him as that, everyone does not (including himself).

DodgeFB · Aug 23, 2011

myp said:
You see him as that, everyone does not (including himself).

If not, he is close. But everything aside, he arrogance would never allow him to walk away. He would be harder to get rid of than Muammar Gaddafi.

Patrick · Aug 23, 2011

Look at the record. He's been in over 2.5 years, and unemployment is over 9%. His leftwing council of economic advisors (who have now quietly skulked away) had him try keynesian economics, so he spent the $1 trillion porkulus. Didn't work. Didn't work in the Great Depression when they first tried it. He's better at going around the world making apology tours. To "solve" the healthcare problem, he imposed the stupid, crude statist method: rationing and a death panel. He's increased the national debt by $6 trillion. Done nothing about the illegal alien invasion. According to Gallup, the most divisive president in US history. We need this guy like we need cancer of the nose.

myp · Aug 23, 2011

The fact still stands that he has a very strong and loyal support base (enough that even today, he remains a formidable opponent in 2012 for any GOP nominee). He isn't going anywhere at least before this term is up

David · Aug 23, 2011

Patrick said:
Why can't obama do the right thing and resign? Note that this did happen with Nixon, and effectively with lyndon johnson who could have run for re-election in 1968, but realized he'd made enough of a mess of things that he had to leave.

Obama will need encouragement - I'd like to see a million protestors on the federal mall chanting "Leave obama leave!" all day.

I realize that the person taking over, Joe Biden, is not exactly an appetizing prospect, but in that regard people should remember that there's nowhere to go but up - obama is certainly the worst US president in history.

Ya, the economy is growing, he just achieved regime change in 1 of our more annoying enemies on the cheap, he's kept most of his campaign promises, he's lowered taxes for all rather then bending over for the rich while screwing everyone else over, etc. You don't want him out because he's bad, you want him out because he's a threat to you and your fellow far rightists. Fact is he's a slightly more left Reagan.

Patrick · Aug 24, 2011

David said:
Ya, the economy is growing,

Whaaaaaaaattttttt?????

Tell that to the people who are out of work for two years, who are being evicted from their homes, and whose 401ks are crashed. Riiiiiiight, the economy is growing.

he just achieved regime change in 1 of our more annoying enemies on the cheap

If you're talking about Libya, I'm sure the Lybian rebels will be amused to learn Obama won their war. Meanwhile, he's preparing the cut-and-run from Aghanistan, of far more significance.

he's lowered taxes for all

What the devil are you talking about? He almost crashed the conomy a second time, bringing us to the brink of default, by demanding congress raise taxes!

You don't want him out because he's bad, you want him out because he's a threat to you and your fellow far rightists.

I want him out because he's destroying the country.

Fact is he's a slightly more left Reagan.

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Patrick · Aug 24, 2011

myp said:
The fact still stands that he has a very strong and loyal support base (enough that even today, he remains a formidable opponent in 2012 for any GOP nominee). He isn't going anywhere at least before this term is up

Lyndon Johnson had the same loyal base, albeit without the unreasoning religious zealotry of the obamabots, but he was man enough to realize his administration was tearing the country apart, and left.

myp · Aug 24, 2011

Patrick said:
Lyndon Johnson had the same loyal base, albeit without the unreasoning religious zealotry of the obamabots, but he was man enough to realize his administration was tearing the country apart, and left.

It is a matter of opinion- some still look up to Johnson, what with the war on poverty and all. I am no fan of Obama (not a fan of most politicians actually), but he isn't as disliked as you may hope he is.

myp · Aug 24, 2011

David said:
Ya, the economy is growing, he just achieved regime change in 1 of our more annoying enemies on the cheap, he's kept most of his campaign promises, he's lowered taxes for all rather then bending over for the rich while screwing everyone else over, etc. You don't want him out because he's bad, you want him out because he's a threat to you and your fellow far rightists. Fact is he's a slightly more left Reagan.

The economy is growing too slow- it is all relative to workforce, population, etc. and there it is not growing/potentially contracting depending on what you compare it against (and whether it is really growing depends on what measure you are using, but even with the DC backed measures).

He has not kept most of his campaign promises- at least not the major ones. Transparency? This is the least transparent administration yet. This is also one of the biggest sellout administrations to big business- namely to finance.

Patrick · Aug 24, 2011

myp said:
It is a matter of opinion- some still look up to Johnson, what with the war on poverty and all. I am no fan of Obama (not a fan of most politicians actually), but he isn't as disliked as you may hope he is.

The war on poverty has been a failure - three years ago I read an accounting that said after over 40 years about ten trillion dollars had been spent on those programs. Is poverty gone? No. Those programs were basically not much more than wealth "redistribution".

myp · Aug 24, 2011

Patrick said:
The war on poverty has been a failure - three years ago I read an accounting that said after over 40 years about ten trillion dollars had been spent on those programs. Is poverty gone? No. Those programs were basically not much more than wealth "redistribution".

I agree in that its a failure, but everyone does not

DodgeFB · Aug 24, 2011

myp said:
I agree in that its a failure, but everyone does not

Why can't they see it? Intentional blindness?

Hair · Aug 24, 2011

I always thought good old Obama was doing a wonderful job?

DodgeFB · Aug 24, 2011

Hair said:
I always thought good old Obama was doing a wonderful job?

Where did ya get that idea from? Even the the democrats are upset with that empty suit.

skeptic-f · Aug 24, 2011

There have been plenty of bad Presidents and none have resigned (I don't count Nixon, because he was about to be impeached). You will just have to put up with President Obama for another year and a half, assuming he doesn't get elected to a second term.

Patrick · Aug 24, 2011

skeptic-f said:
There have been plenty of bad Presidents and none have resigned (I don't count Nixon, because he was about to be impeached). You will just have to put up with President Obama for another year and a half, assuming he doesn't get elected to a second term.

Johnson leaving after 1968 was in effect a resignation - sitting presidents have almost always run for re-election, and he didn't.

David · Aug 24, 2011

Patrick said:
Johnson leaving after 1968 was in effect a resignation - sitting presidents have almost always run for re-election, and he didn't.

That's not running for reelection, not a resignation. By that logic every president before FDR reigned.

Patrick · Aug 24, 2011

David said:
That's not running for reelection, not a resignation. By that logic every president before FDR reigned.

I sain >>>"in effect"<<< it was a resignation, Johnson's whole life was oriented around getting and keeping political power - he could have run in 1968 and certainly WOULD have if it wasn't crystal clear that he would go down in flames.

David · Aug 24, 2011

Patrick said:
I sain >>>"in effect"<<< it was a resignation, Johnson's whole life was oriented around getting and keeping political power - he could have run in 1968 and certainly WOULD have if it wasn't crystal clear that he would go down in flames.

Except that it wasn't. A resignation requires that he resigned, he simply didn't run. To put it another way, a solder that doesn't re-up isn't the same as a solder who resigns. Nice try with that back-peddle though.