Europe in debate over bailout fund extension, E-bonds

myp

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As contagion fears continue, some European leaders are calling for an extension of the bailout fund. Among them is President of the ECB- Jean-Claude Trichet. Of course the opposition is Germany, the one that will need the most convincing.

Another proposition that has come up is the creation of joint EU bonds- another proposal that Germany is strongly against with due reason.

Personally, I think both these ideas are just ridiculous- both providing moral hazards for the big spenders to not cut as much as they should. Germany is completely justified in doing what it is to stop these measures.
 
Nov 2010
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I would agree with you sir, I am on Germany's side in this matter. These measures are rediculous, why can't the EU see that? The EU needs to think of what they are doing and change their course before they force germany to defend itself with more than just words. I hope Germany holds out.
 
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Germany is completely justified in doing what it is to stop these measures.

well yeah

this is the problem the EU chose when it hooked all their economies together.

Germany will pay and pay and then leave what's left of the EU (so will other "payor" states)
 

myp

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well yeah

this is the problem the EU chose when it hooked all their economies together.

Germany will pay and pay and then leave what's left of the EU (so will other "payor" states)
It is going to create a mess no doubt. Germany won't leave just yet because of all the exposure their big banks have to Irish, Spanish, etc. debt. Eventually though, if things keep going the way they are, they'll likely just decide to cut their losses- that is possibly when the people hit the streets all over Europe and the Euro dream is likely over (as Nigel Farage would say :p )
 
Aug 2010
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et al,

I'm not a genius, but it was (simply) explained to me that this is one of several straight forward financial products being discussed that might reset some debt reconciliation.

One of these financial products was explained (maybe incorrectly oversimplified) like this:

If the deficit is $1T Dollars, the US would have to sell an $8000-to-$10,000 bond to each of its 140,000,000 workers; within one calendar year. It would be a promissory note.

This would bring back the debt to the US, making the US Dollar the most stable and strong in the world. It would not be debt owned by any foreign entity.​
My understanding is, that the EU is looking for some solution along these lines, investors to assume the debt.

Within the US, and many countries in the EU, there are a couple of complications:

  • The problem with solutions like this is that the debt is gradually paid back by a series of tax reductions. It would work great in a nation with a relatively flat tax structure. But it would not work well in the US, as the more wealthy have greater holding and a wider range of deductions. Thus, they would get a much greater return on their $8K investment. So in order to make it fair, the entire tax code would need to be simplified, and the initial promissory pledge would have to be lower at the lowest income levels, and gradually higher, as the income rises. What initially sounds simple, rapidly becomes complicated.

  • The second problem is a reduction in financial authority. Congress would have to reduce spending at the federal level and give-up some federal authorities back to the individual states. There could be no unfunded mandates and Congress would not be authorized to accumulate any additional debt. They would have to pass a balanced budget. Nor could Congress raid funding in escrow.

  • No one trusts Congress to do the right thing and handle such an influx of funding to buy back the outstanding debt.
It is not likely that the Beltway is going to relinquish any power back to the states, and promise to go to the electorate "before" and further spending is authorized beyond the general revenue stream.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
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