For or Against Capital Punishment?

Sparks · Apr 13, 2009

Beggars would line up at the on ramps to the freeways, or at the light across from them actually where cars were forced to stop and wait for a signal. Signs bearing hard luck stories crudely drawn on cardboard. But often the guy (or occasional woman) would be braving the Oregon rain in a nicer parka than I owned, courtesy of the local welfare handout that got seconds from manufacturers and provided them to the "poor".

While I am sure that some of these individuals were truly marginal, others had simply found a nice job with fresh air, no boss, and very hard for the IRS to track. I must say I was never moved to donate to them.

Glee · Apr 16, 2009

Hi,
After reading this, a lot of you are going to think I'm some heartless bastard... but I want you to know I know who my father is. (The heartless thing is still on debate). I believe capital punishment is a necessity, and I don't believe in life long prison sentences. If they are supposed to die, don't wait 20 years then re-think it, do it within weeks of the sentence. We're always talking about the rights of prisoners... I don't believe they have any. Being in prison shouldn't be a hotel visit with unwanted anal rape. It should be ... you know... prison! The Sheriff in Az. who has a tent city and makes his inmates live there in the desert, work for their food, and wear pink undies is the type of punishment we should be inflicting. Remember, those guys decided to break the law, they shouldn't get HBO for it.

Delta · Apr 16, 2009

Glee said:
Hi,
After reading this, a lot of you are going to think I'm some heartless bastard... but I want you to know I know who my father is. (The heartless thing is still on debate). I believe capital punishment is a necessity, and I don't believe in life long prison sentences. If they are supposed to die, don't wait 20 years then re-think it, do it within weeks of the sentence. We're always talking about the rights of prisoners... I don't believe they have any. Being in prison shouldn't be a hotel visit with unwanted anal rape. It should be ... you know... prison! The Sheriff in Az. who has a tent city and makes his inmates live there in the desert, work for their food, and wear pink undies is the type of punishment we should be inflicting. Remember, those guys decided to break the law, they shouldn't get HBO for it.

Well... I guess that makes two of us that are heartless. I agree that how it is now with the 20 years wait and countless number of trials that it is ineffective. That's what makes the cost the same as having them in prison all their lives. Also if they are sent to prison, it should be prison - not as you say, a hotel visit.

GekiDan · Apr 16, 2009

Delta said:
Well... I guess that makes two of us that are heartless. I agree that how it is now with the 20 years wait and countless number of trials that it is ineffective. That's what makes the cost the same as having them in prison all their lives. Also if they are sent to prison, it should be prison - not as you say, a hotel visit.

Most of the criminals I knew, especially those rich or high profiled politicians, have an airconditioned room with a comfortable bed and a cable tv. Do they really paying for what they have done, if their prison is like a hotel room or condominuim?

Sparks · Apr 17, 2009

GekiDan said:
Most of the criminals I knew, especially those rich or high profiled politicians, have an airconditioned room with a comfortable bed and a cable tv. Do they really paying for what they have done, if their prison is like a hotel room or condominuim?

I think that the ability for prisoners to "alter" their environment is not limited to the Philippines. Mexico and other places are well known to provide fairly comfortable quarters to those that can pay. I think even the USA offers some prisoners of certain types of white collar crimes some fairly nice choices in where they do their time.

GekiDan · Apr 17, 2009

Sparks said:
I think that the ability for prisoners to "alter" their environment is not limited to the Philippines. Mexico and other places are well known to provide fairly comfortable quarters to those that can pay. I think even the USA offers some prisoners of certain types of white collar crimes some fairly nice choices in where they do their time.

Do you really think they pay and feel sorry for the crimes they have done? I certainly think they did not. Since they have a very comfortable room and a place to live in, I really think that some of them are thinking that they are only on a vacation.

Delta · Apr 17, 2009

Sparks said:
I think that the ability for prisoners to "alter" their environment is not limited to the Philippines. Mexico and other places are well known to provide fairly comfortable quarters to those that can pay. I think even the USA offers some prisoners of certain types of white collar crimes some fairly nice choices in where they do their time.

Man, Carla Homolka (assisted in the raping and murder of many, many people) basically had an apartment. Literally... she had a carpeted room, nice bed, desk (perhaps tv). If anyone can explain to me how that is just punishment, I'd like to hear. Nothing makes me more furious than our legal system.

GekiDan · Apr 18, 2009

Delta said:
Man, Carla Homolka (assisted in the raping and murder of many, many people) basically had an apartment. Literally... she had a carpeted room, nice bed, desk (perhaps tv). If anyone can explain to me how that is just punishment, I'd like to hear. Nothing makes me more furious than our legal system.

Well... Take also the Former President Joseph Estrada as an example. He was accused and is guilty for the crime of plunder and yet he wasn't even held in jail. Instead he was on a house arrest on his rest house. Isn't that very comfortable? More likely just having a vacation.

Glee · Apr 20, 2009

GekiDan said:
Most of the criminals I knew, especially those rich or high profiled politicians, have an airconditioned room with a comfortable bed and a cable tv. Do they really paying for what they have done, if their prison is like a hotel room or condominuim?

That really is sad. I'm not saying to treat them horribly, but there should be SOME punishment. That's why I think Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio has things right. For those who don't know, this guy heads a prison called "Tent City". Basically, inmates have to endure pretty much what our Military has to out in the field. It's a small base that has toilets and showers, but everyone lives in a tent. They all work, and they all have to wear uniforms with pink underwear. Anyhow if you want to know more about him I suggest looking him up on Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio )

DodgeFB · Apr 20, 2009

I like Sheriff Joe too.

But some just need to be sent on out of this world.

deanhills · Apr 22, 2009

I always thought I was for the death penalty until I saw that movie: Dead Man Walking with Susan Sarandon and Sean Penn. How on earth can we judge judge whether someone has to live or die when our justice system is so imperfect and flawed? The system of justice is also so fallible. How many cases have we seen of people who had been convicted in error? As well as perps who got away because they had shrewd and savvy lawyers? On the one hand I do wish there could be an eye for an eye, but perhaps the justice system is not perfect enough to carry this through for me. I don't really believe there is justice for all.

Delta · Apr 22, 2009

deanhills said:
On the one hand I do wish there could be an eye for an eye, but perhaps the justice system is not perfect enough to carry this through for me.

Well, I'm all for vigilantism. Are you saying it should be up to the secondary victims (parents or spouse of the victim for example) to carry out the revenge... I'm all for that to. I guess you could be referring to a higher power than us all (i.e. god) but from what I see of mainstream religion - gods more worried about punishing those that don't love him than punishing those who truely deserve it.

GekiDan · Apr 22, 2009

Delta said:
Well, I'm all for vigilantism.

For me, I'm against that kind of judgment. Maybe because I think it will be better to judge one person accordingly, equally and unbiased. We could put some evidences to prove what he have done wrong.

The sad thing about this part(I really hate this

) is when the suspect is influencial, rich and powerful. He can even bribe the judge or the lawyers to be on his side. Thus telling him that he is not guilty.

Delta · Apr 22, 2009

GekiDan said:
For me, I'm against that kind of judgment. Maybe because I think it will be better to judge one person accordingly, equally and unbiased. We could put some evidences to prove what he have done wrong.

Hah, well just like in the news, there is no such think as an unbiased judgement. Anyway, I didn't mean complete anarchy. If someone is 100% guilty, then I have no problem with the victims taking out revenge rather than letting them get off easy as would likely happen if you let the justice system take care of things.

deanhills · Apr 23, 2009

GekiDan said:
The sad thing about this part(I really hate this

) is when the suspect is influencial, rich and powerful. He can even bribe the judge or the lawyers to be on his side. Thus telling him that he is not guilty.

That's why I think the system of justice is so flawed. Also, there is so much money involved in it, the more you can afford, the more effective and efficient the justice you can get for it. So if the system of justice is so flawed, how perfect can its ability be to make judgments regarding capital punishment?

DodgeFB · Apr 23, 2009

What really ticks me off is when they plead guilty and ask for death. Some even say if they ever get out they would do it again. So they fire their attorney and what happens? A bunch of wet-eyed "do-gooders" show up and go to court to stop the whole darn thing.

GekiDan · Apr 24, 2009

deanhills said:
That's why I think the system of justice is so flawed. Also, there is so much money involved in it, the more you can afford, the more effective and efficient the justice you can get for it. So if the system of justice is so flawed, how perfect can its ability be to make judgments regarding capital punishment?

That's the fact I really hate. You need to have lots of money to have justice go with you. And when a poor battles it out in the court again a rich and influencial man, no wonder the poor guy go out of the court angry and crying for unbiased justice. Many people do think that vigilantes are the very last option.

Dirk · Apr 28, 2009

The biggest problem with capital punishment is that if someone's convicted as guilty and then turns out to be innocent. It's just a matter of time before that happens, if it hasn't already.

It's also just hypocritical to kill, for example, a murderer. Isn't the idea moral justice? How is murdering the murderer moral? Capital punishment is just state-legalised murder.

deanhills · Apr 30, 2009

DodgeFB said:
What really ticks me off is when they plead guilty and ask for death. Some even say if they ever get out they would do it again. So they fire their attorney and what happens? A bunch of wet-eyed "do-gooders" show up and go to court to stop the whole darn thing.

Has to be very expensive for the Government too?

curious · May 1, 2009

The state of Illinois found that a huge percentage of death row cases had falsified evidence or exculpatory evidence that had been withheld by the prosecution. The governor commuted all death sentence cases to life because of it. I just read that Florida ends up releasing more than 25% of the people on death row because new evidence shows that they are innocent or that there is reasonable doubt.

We shouldn't kill people in a system that is so flawed.

Besides, if murder is bad, why do we want to be murderers?

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