Give me your belongings!

Mar 2009
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So I was hanging out with a friend tonight and as I got up to leave I grabbed a bottle of vodka and said I'm going to take this. I was joking. She of course said no. Then I saw that she was pulling out her catholicism books to study for an upcoming test to get baptized. It was the perfect time to bust out some scripture:

"...and from anyone who takes away your coat do not withhold even your shirt. 30Give to everyone who begs from you; and if anyone takes away your goods, do not ask for them again." - Luke 6:27-31

She says to me: that's not meant to be taken literally!

I'm just wondering - what exactly in the bible IS meant to be taken literally. I've heard countless arguments "well that's just a metaphor", "well that was in the old testament", "well that's not meant to be taken literally."

If all of the bible is meant to be taken as personal interpretations, what exactly is the point of the bible. These arguments seem to be justification for the religious to pick and choose what to believe while still claiming that they are Christian or Catholic and that everything in the bible is true and the word of god.

Sure, people have their own beliefs but if they want to pick and choose what passages they want to follow, they shouldn't then turn around and use the bible to justify things such as discrimination against gays or atheists. I don't see how they can have it both ways.
 
Mar 2009
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I think the whole point is that anybody can make of it anything they want. If a religious document is too specific, then facts start to come into play, and facts don't work well with religion.
 
Mar 2009
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I think the whole point is that anybody can make of it anything they want. If a religious document is too specific, then facts start to come into play, and facts don't work well with religion.

It is all about faith, not facts. Many people get hung up on facts.:D
 
Mar 2009
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North Carolina
Ah, the eternal question of complexities of the Bible. There will never be any answer any one of us can give to convince others what we think. The thing about religion is that everyone fancies themselves as right, while others are completely wrong. As if only God talks to them, and no one else. That no alternative exists. But, if you don't mind, I'll give my view on this scripture from Luke.

Jesus' main goals he stressed over and over can all come to two simple things. "Love God" and "Love others." In a time of Roman occupation, Jesus was preaching peace. To understand this, you've got to understand Arabic thinking. Most people in the region take the belief "If someone insults you, then God wills you to repay the injustice". You can see this philosophy in the Old Testament and the Qur'an. But Jesus knew that in this time of occupation, cool heads needed to prevail. The Romans could literally stomp them all out of existence. So messages of "Turn the other cheek" and this passage of Luke "if anyone takes away your goods, do not ask for them again." In other words "Don't provoke violence." These lessons apply today. It's always good to keep a cool head and not go off on someone. Thinking things through is always a good idea. Also in this same lesson, Jesus also says "Give to everyone who begs from you." This is pretty straight forward and can be applied to today. But in the Historical context Jesus is telling the Jews the help each other out in this time of crisis. To stay together, comfort, and love each other. Kindness goes along way. So, by being polite to the occupying force, and by helping your neighbor, Jesus was hoping to improve the community moral. This would also show the Romans their true character, and their treatment may have improved. (well if they didn't murder him later.)

In later years when Jesus' speeches are analyzed people often take the scriptures and apply it to today. Which is find if you want to derive something from them. Jesus was a very intelligent man. But one can't forget the historical context the words were spoken in.

Anyway, that's what I believe.
 
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