Globalization?

myp said:

That is not necessarily true. I know it is not true when it comes to my feelings towards your opinions. My problem with your viewpoint is not that you have it, but that you have based it on some supporting points that have been proven wrong and you are not willing to adequately respond to my points on why some of your ideas are flawed. There are opinions and then there is logic. The first you can think whatever you want. The second, you can't just say you don't want to believe it without having a logical argument yourself.

And all that aside you underplay the tremendous amount of global trade that occurred during your lifetime and even before it. Countries have traded with each other for thousands of years- from the Egyptian empire to the Greek empire to the Romans. You sometimes give the vibe that this is something new and scary. That annoys me.

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Did not mean to annoy you or anyone else. I never said it was good or bad. I said I don't like it. As far as trade goes I don't see where the "The North American Free Trade Agreement" has made my life a bit better.

And just in general, I see being too close lets the weaker countries drag the countries that are doing well down. And on another note, are we in the US doing everything so well that we need to stick our beak in everyone else's business around the world?

And a lot of it comes from I don't think those other countries give a damn if we all die tonight. They may want help, but they don't want to help. At home I don't hang around people that I know don't like me. So why do we need the US to play like we are friends with these people. Just look at what we hear from world leaders when they get caught on an open mike.:giggle:

As for "new and scary"? I have nothing to be scared about. My time has come and gone. Not much effect on me either way. If the US wants to join the EU so be it. Hell I barely recognize the US already.

And I will say it one more time. I don't give any opinion wanting anyone to agree with me. Because I don't care anymore who agrees or disagrees with anyone about anything.

DodgeFB said:

Did not mean to annoy you or anyone else. I never said it was good or bad. I said I don't like it. As far as trade goes I don't see where the "The North American Free Trade Agreement" has made my life a bit better.

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NAFTA is not central to a free trade argument.

DodgeFB said:

And just in general, I see being too close lets the weaker countries drag the countries that are doing well down. And on another note, are we in the US doing everything so well that we need to stick our beak in everyone else's business around the world?

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We don't "stick our beak" anywhere. EVERY trade that is made is made because the American making it thinks it is better for HIM and every person on the other side thinks it is better for him. That is how trade works. That is why you buy things at the store for money- the store owner values the money more and you value the item more. You BOTH benefit because you both leave happier.

DodgeFB said:

And a lot of it comes from I don't think those other countries give a damn if we all die tonight. They may want help, but they don't want to help. At home I don't hang around people that I know don't like me. So why do we need the US to play like we are friends with these people. Just look at what we hear from world leaders when they get caught on an open mike.:giggle:

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We don't play friends in trade. The people doing the trading do so because they think it is better for themselves. Ironically, when it comes to the dying thing, trade brings countries closer together- it INCREASES the costs of war so that other countries are LESS likely to want to "see us die". Increased trade means higher costs of war if the trade breaks during war, which means less likely war. Popularized by the Golden Arches theory (no two countries with McDonald's in them have ever gone to war).

DodgeFB said:

As for "new and scary"? I have nothing to be scared about. My time has come and gone. Not much effect on me either way. If the US wants to join the EU so be it. Hell I barely recognize the US already.

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Why do you have to be such a downer? Just look at the positive things in life. Also, no one is proposing joining the EU. THAT ALSO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FREE TRADE. If anything, loss of even some sovereignty is the OPPOSITE of pro-free trade.

DodgeFB said:

And I will say it one more time. I don't give any opinion wanting anyone to agree with me. Because I don't care anymore who agrees or disagrees with anyone about anything.

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I know you don't care what others think, but you are tremendously misinformed and as a result have a more bitter outlook on the world. Take a look at the facts and I bet you would realize you are depressing yourself more than you should.

myp said:

I know you don't care what others think, but you are tremendously misinformed and as a result have a more bitter outlook on the world. Take a look at the facts and I bet you would realize you are depressing yourself more than you should.

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You have no idea the things that are depressing me. My life basically ended March 1st 1984. I live stuck between living and dying. I have been losing my health, and wealth for many years. There will never be a better for either. I watch my wife decline daily . Not just physically, she is losing her memories of us. I have already buried one of my children and expect to lose my mother within the next year. And these things don't even begin to say why I am depressed. When you live long enough with no light at the end of the tunnel, just a dark hole all this global stuff is really not that important. After all, I know how the last act of this play goes.

DodgeFB said:

You have no idea the things that are depressing me. My life basically ended March 1st 1984. I live stuck between living and dying. I have been losing my health, and wealth for many years. There will never be a better for either. I watch my wife decline daily . Not just physically, she is losing her memories of us. I have already buried one of my children and expect to lose my mother within the next year. And these things don't even begin to say why I am depressed. When you live long enough with no light at the end of the tunnel, just a dark hole all this global stuff is really not that important. After all, I know how the last act of this play goes.

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I am sorry for your personal troubles, but that has nothing to do with globalization (unless you are trying to say somehow it does?)

myp said:

I am sorry for your personal troubles, but that has nothing to do with globalization (unless you are trying to say somehow it does?)

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I think I best not say anything. I was just replying to your comment about my view of the world. Nuff said.

DodgeFB said:

I think I best not say anything. I was just replying to your comment about my view of the world. Nuff said.

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Okay... but then why say something like this:

No one really gives a damn why I don't like being in the "Global" mix. They just don't like me feeling that way.

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Maybe it is not that we don't like you feeling that way, but that we expect a logical response from you when you make such bold claims as "global trade is bad".

myp said:

Okay... but then why say something like this:

Maybe it is not that we don't like you feeling that way, but that we expect a logical response from you when you make such bold claims as "global trade is bad".

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If I said "global trade is bad" I misspoke. What I try to say and usually say is I hate all this global stuff. Not just trade. I hate so many nations sewn together into one big mess.

And I may be guilty of under analyzing things. Some over analyze things to a fault.

The reason I don't analyze every aspect of daily life is:

I am not running for office.

I am not seeking employment.

I am not teaching young children.

There is absolutely no reason I should use the time I do have looking up spread sheets, researching and linking trying to justify one old man's opinion to people I don't know and that do not know me as well as they may think.

Now if that is not logical to you that will be your problem. I am sure with a little "research" you can find something explaining it much better than I ever could.

It is a real pain in the ass to have an opinion around here anymore. Always must be ready to defend every word. I am not a school child and will not be treated as such.

DodgeFB said:

If I said "global trade is bad" I misspoke. What I try to say and usually say is I hate all this global stuff. Not just trade. I hate so many nations sewn together into one big mess.

And I may be guilty of under analyzing things. Some over analyze things to a fault.

The reason I don't analyze every aspect of daily life is:

I am not running for office.

I am not seeking employment.

I am not teaching young children.

There is absolutely no reason I should use the time I do have looking up spread sheets, researching and linking trying to justify one old man's opinion to people I don't know and that do not know me as well as they may think.

Now if that is not logical to you that will be your problem. I am sure with a little "research" you can find something explaining it much better than I ever could.

It is a real pain in the ass to have an opinion around here anymore. Always must be ready to defend every word. I am not a school child and will not be treated as such.

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You are on a forum centered around the debate of controversial topics. Of course people will ask you to justify your arguments, especially when they disagree with you.

As for analyzing things and learning about the world- I guess we just differ there. I find it rewarding to learn about the world and how it REALLY works instead of just relying on my instinctive intuition, which is often wrong.

As for "sewing" nations together, that really isn't the point, but at the end of the day I care about people more than flags anyway.

myp said:

You are on a forum centered around the debate of controversial topics. Of course people will ask you to justify your arguments, especially when they disagree with you.

As for analyzing things and learning about the world- I guess we just differ there. I find it rewarding to learn about the world and how it REALLY works instead of just relying on my instinctive intuition, which is often wrong.

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:giggle:Yeah, some people don't like being disagreed with. But that is their problem.

As for how things REALLY work. Analyzing things is fine. But I find you can also learn from actually living life. And you also remember some lived lessons better than reading or someone telling you. Someday 40 or 50 years in the future you may understand what I mean better than you can today. You just have not had time to understand the lessons that time will teach you.

When I was 20 I thought I knew all the answers. All by elders were dumb as rocks. But I now realize I should have written all that I thought I knew on paper. Because I am no longer as smart as I "thought" I was.

DodgeFB said:

As for how things REALLY work. Analyzing things is fine. But I find you can also learn from actually living life. And you also remember some lived lessons better than reading or someone telling you. Someday 40 or 50 years in the future you may understand what I mean better than you can today. You just have not had time to understand the lessons that time will teach you.

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Of course there are things that are better learned in practice than in analyzing- I don't need to wait 50 years to know that- I already do. You can't however learn about monetary practice or global trade effects on the ENTIRE market by practice

DodgeFB said:

When I was 20 I thought I knew all the answers. All by elders were dumb as rocks. But I now realize I should have written all that I thought I knew on paper. Because I am no longer as smart as I "thought" I was.

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Not sure what your point here is. You might be an anti-intellectualist, but there are people your age that have just as much life experience who believe in the actual studies and facts and are willing to give it the due diligence in understanding them before criticizing them. I am not claiming to know everything- far from it. In fact if you look at my older posts compared to now, you will surely see I have learned things and changed my opinions- but that's just the point- I am willing to do that when I learn about new things- something which you seem to reject.

myp said:

Not sure what your point here is. You might be an anti-intellectualist, but there are people your age that have just as much life experience who believe in the actual studies and facts and are willing to give it the due diligence in understanding them before criticizing them. I am not claiming to know everything- far from it. In fact if you look at my older posts compared to now, you will surely see I have learned things and changed my opinions- but that's just the point- I am willing to do that when I learn about new things- something which you seem to reject.

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No I am not an anti-intellectualist. I know what they are, I have seen a couple. I have also run into a couple intellectual snobs. So it does work both ways.:giggle: