Hell and the Soul

I guess that they just believe that the body is our mortal coil and that the soul can be damaged in Hell.

That said, I have a bigger problem with the whole thing. Hell is just a human concept. What kind of greater God would punish someone for eternity? It's just a fear tactic. What's the point other than ridiculous vengeance. There are very few people who I would actually punish for all of eternity.

Delta said:

This is a question I've had for a while and I've gotten various answers, from different people but none are really satisfactory and really don't make a whole lot of sense.

I've heard people say that the soul is a spiritual entity, and that upon death, your soul either goes to heaven, or hell.

However, pain is a physical phenomenon. If the soul is not physical then it would not be able to feel pain - and the torture (apparently in hell), would be pointless. There is also the problem of how a spiritual entity "communicates" with the physical body to cause emotions and actions. You could argue that the soul IS physical, but then we would be able to prove its existence.

Any thoughts on this?

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Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is DEATH; but the gift of God is eternal life. Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine. The soul that sinneth, it sall DIE. It says if you sin you die, both physical body and your soul. It says nothing about eternal torture in hell, God said the wages of sin is death. If Gods gift is eternal life for belivers, then non- belivers stay dead. If you were alive and being tortured in hell, its still eternal life even though it sucks. Eternal life, is eternal life no matter if its great are it sucks. You stay dead! IMO opinion belivers and non-belivers, both stay dead.

But that part doesn't fit with standard doctrine, so it's just a metaphor .

Delta said:

This is a question I've had for a while and I've gotten various answers, from different people but none are really satisfactory and really don't make a whole lot of sense.

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It is because peoples have different beliefs. That's why you do get various and different answers. But as I said on the other thread, I beleive that there's no hell. When one die, they will go to the Purgatory to get their sins cleaned so they can enter God's kingdom. Souls only suffer from eternal waiting for them to see God.

But the real fact is when you die, you are already dead.

Delta said:

I do realize people have different beliefs and I respect people that deviate from the norm (beliefs taken straight from the bible). However, if people have their own beliefs, why do they insist on labeling themselves under an organized religion that has, basically, a rule book that is suppose to be taken as the Word of God?

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I believe it's because people on the same beliefs need to have unity to prevent unnecessary fights between each other. But this is not always happening since there are still unnecessary fights or wars that is always happening.

I have no problem with different beliefs. What I have the problem with is when someone feels they must change what you believe to match what they believe. Why would anyone care if I think I am going to heaven when I die? Why would I care if someone thinks they will die and come back as a wood chipper? We will all find the "truth" when our turn comes.

I believe that once you die you rot in the hole they put you in. That's why i make every effort to live a fulfilled and happy life. Because you don't get a second chance

DodgeFB said:

I have no problem with different beliefs. What I have the problem with is when someone feels they must change what you believe to match what they believe. Why would anyone care if I think I am going to heaven when I die? Why would I care if someone thinks they will die and come back as a wood chipper? We will all find the "truth" when our turn comes.

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I agree to you. We all wait for our turn to know what will happen to us. So live your life to the fullest and cherish it as if today is your last day.

mattaff said:

I believe that once you die you rot in the hole they put you in. That's why i make every effort to live a fulfilled and happy life. Because you don't get a second chance

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You may be right. But I don't want to wait until I find you are wrong to get ready. If you are right and I just rot it makes no difference. But if I find that I am in this other place I want to be on the right team.

I've said previously in other Threads that I believe that Heaven and Hell are only concepts made by men in order to keep people in line. Meaning that if there is no goal or consequences, no one will follow the rules you've made. Before the Hebrews wrote down their belief system, the idea of Heaven and Hell was already invented by the Egyptians. Isn't it a coincidence that after leaving Egypt, when the Hebrews where penning in some of the first books of the Bible, all of a sudden the idea of heaven and hell shows up? Naw.... I'm just over thinking things.

Glee said:

I've said previously in other Threads that I believe that Heaven and Hell are only concepts made by men in order to keep people in line. Meaning that if there is no goal or consequences, no one will follow the rules you've made. Before the Hebrews wrote down their belief system, the idea of Heaven and Hell was already invented by the Egyptians. Isn't it a coincidence that after leaving Egypt, when the Hebrews where penning in some of the first books of the Bible, all of a sudden the idea of heaven and hell shows up? Naw.... I'm just over thinking things.

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Thanks for making a good point. Like a trainee to his master, you need to have inspirations to succeed in life. And that is what one need to become stronger and overcome hardships.

Come to think of it, if no one believes in Heaven and Hell. The world will perish and people will get into different path hence to cause of being un-unified.

Not all religions promise an afterlife. Jews don't believe in heaven or hell. Buddhists and Hindus believe in reincarnation, until you reach something that sounds a lot like heaven. Apparently life is the hell part.

I think that when you are done, you are done. And if I'm wrong, I expect to be judged by the life I've lived, which has been pretty ordinary. So I'll end up wherever most of my peers end up.

Not sure I would want to "end up wherever most of my peers end up." Some of my peers seem to not care if they improve or not as they age. Most of my friends are already dead and buried. As is my oldest daughter. She was killed in a head on crash on the way to work Oct.18 2006.

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Not sure I would want to "end up wherever most of my peers end up." Some of my peers seem to not care if they improve or not as they age. Most of my friends are already dead and buried. As is my oldest daughter. She was killed in a head on crash on the way to work Oct.18 2006.

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Well... I give you my sincerest condolences for your daughter. I think she do have a happy life here on earth. And she is now resting in peace. I think we will all end up to that.

GekiDan said:

Well... I give you my sincerest condolences for your daughter. I think she do have a happy life here on earth. And she is now resting in peace. I think we will all end up to that.

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Thank you.

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