Hello PoliticalF.

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I'm Astonix, new here and will be posting about the forums frequently. Hope to get to know some of you. I may only be 16 but it doesn't stop me from having adult conversations regarding politics, especially as I may be studying it soon.

See you all around.
 
Mar 2009
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I would never have thought you to be 16 years old, until you mentioned it. Your conversations are indeed very adult. Welcome on board Astonix.

By the name I really like the name. Does it have a special meaning? Is it related to Astorix?
 
Apr 2010
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Thanks for the welcome.

And if you mean Asterix, then yer it does. Use to love the show when I was younger so I decided to use a variant of it.
 
Apr 2009
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I admit i was sceptical at first - i'm not above ageism, i see. But you seem a lot more clued up than i was 12 years ago! What are your main political views? Er, some examples:

* What are your opinions on the political parties? Don't worry, i know British parties, i live there.

* Would you say you are to the left, to the right, or relatively centrist?

* What do you think of the Israel/Palestine conflict?

* What do you believe should be done in relation to the European Union?

I think that's enough to be getting on with. :)
 
Apr 2010
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Ha yes, I don't blame you though, I can see why many would be ageist towards teenagers - because they get so much media coverage. I'd like to point out though that more adults are in prison than late teenagers are, or younger teenagers in juvi put together.

Moving on to your questions;


What are your opinions on the political parties?

This may seem quite unexpected but if there just a few changes to the BNP, I would actually be in favour of them. From studying the Nazis and their consolidation of power ( only GCSE level, nothing major :p ), I've realised that some things, pleasant or not, have to be done to get the country out of despair and back into a stable state. Of course, once this has been done I'd expect the 'mean', 'unfair' conditions, policies to stop, unless there was reasonable doubt that it would harm the stable condition of the country. This is where my decision against the BNP comes in. If Nick Griffin were to get the country into a stable state, no way would he change the policy again against foreigners and he would be using all the propaganda he could to persuade us it would harm the country again.

My views on other parties; I don't like Labour at all anymore, especially with Gordon Brown leading it. They need someone different, and with a better reputation too as that's just as important.
On the other hand, I do quite like the Conservatives, their policies seem like they'd be closer to working than the other parties. I'm especially liking their 'Raise the standards in schools' as this affects me directly. I'm highly frustrated at the low level of education and funding in comprehensive schools (in Wales too where funding is lower), especially as I'm an ex-grammar student so my learning is held back - sorry if that all seems stuck up etc. ^.^
The Lib Dems - Well, not much to say on this party apart from, no?
Plaid Cymru - Looking at the candidates here in my region, no too.

Would you say you are to the left, to the right, or relatively centrist?

I'd say I'm relatively centrist, maybe pushing a bit more to the right. I want freedom for the people, not for them to be slaves to the country, whilst not being so far left that people start sharing property. If people earn money and property, it's theirs and theirs to keep. At the same time I think things work better if power if slightly isolated in a hierarchy otherwise in my opinion, things would be too slow to happen. We need the right leaders though, maybe I should become a political leader? :p

What do you think of the Israel/Palestine conflict?

To be quite honest, I don't think of this at all. I'm much more looking at the UK Forces in the middle east as I have relatives in the UK forces, so it makes me to want to know more. I know this isn't what you asked, but, I think we should pull out of Iraq and Afghan as no weapons of mass destruction were found. I always thought that, we don't like Islamic people coming here and committing terrorist acts because we're not Islamic, so why should we go there and tell them how to live their lives? It's an act of terrorism ourselves. The only time we should of invaded is if there was a reasonable thread to us e.g. they did have weapons of mass destruction

What do you believe should be done in relation to the European Union?

I'm not too sure what to do with it, but something needs to be done. To be quite frank, it's causing far too many problems with immigration. I'm not racist or xenophobic but it is causing racist attacks and jokes towards the EU people who are moving over here, and quite rightly so to be honest - and that probably contradicts my racism? I don't see why the UK just doesn't break away from the EU - our currency is stronger than theirs and America's, and we could go back to being the powerful UK we use to be. Or am I missing the point?


So, this turned out quite long. Hope it helped you tell who I am in relation to world affairs etc.

P.S. I am in no way saying that the holocaust was good, I was referring other things like the KdF etc.
 
Apr 2009
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This may seem quite unexpected but if there just a few changes to the BNP, I would actually be in favour of them. From studying the Nazis and their consolidation of power ( only GCSE level, nothing major :p ), I've realised that some things, pleasant or not, have to be done to get the country out of despair and back into a stable state. Of course, once this has been done I'd expect the 'mean', 'unfair' conditions, policies to stop, unless there was reasonable doubt that it would harm the stable condition of the country. This is where my decision against the BNP comes in. If Nick Griffin were to get the country into a stable state, no way would he change the policy again against foreigners and he would be using all the propaganda he could to persuade us it would harm the country again.

My views on other parties; I don't like Labour at all anymore, especially with Gordon Brown leading it. They need someone different, and with a better reputation too as that's just as important.
On the other hand, I do quite like the Conservatives, their policies seem like they'd be closer to working than the other parties. I'm especially liking their 'Raise the standards in schools' as this affects me directly. I'm highly frustrated at the low level of education and funding in comprehensive schools (in Wales too where funding is lower), especially as I'm an ex-grammar student so my learning is held back - sorry if that all seems stuck up etc. ^.^
The Lib Dems - Well, not much to say on this party apart from, no?
Plaid Cymru - Looking at the candidates here in my region, no too.

The BNP scare me. Labour are a waste of time, i'm not a fan of the Tories. The Liberal Democrats are my favourites of the big three. I wasn't sure whether or not to vote, but my friends convinced me i should. So the Greens will have another vote. Not that it matters, since Charles Kennedy will still get in.

I'd say I'm relatively centrist, maybe pushing a bit more to the right. I want freedom for the people, not for them to be slaves to the country, whilst not being so far left that people start sharing property. If people earn money and property, it's theirs and theirs to keep. At the same time I think things work better if power if slightly isolated in a hierarchy otherwise in my opinion, things would be too slow to happen. We need the right leaders though, maybe I should become a political leader? :p

Heh, i'm a massive lefty. I love equality, so i dislike hierarchy and government. I'm all for liberty, democracy and socialism.


To be quite honest, I don't think of this at all. I'm much more looking at the UK Forces in the middle east as I have relatives in the UK forces, so it makes me to want to know more. I know this isn't what you asked, but, I think we should pull out of Iraq and Afghan as no weapons of mass destruction were found. I always thought that, we don't like Islamic people coming here and committing terrorist acts because we're not Islamic, so why should we go there and tell them how to live their lives? It's an act of terrorism ourselves. The only time we should of invaded is if there was a reasonable thread to us e.g. they did have weapons of mass destruction

Hm, with Iraq, i think it was definitely wrong. Not to mention illegal under international law. With Afghanistan, i just think the whole thing could have been handled better. There was no need for war.

The Israel/Palestine conflict is one of my pet subjects.

I'm not too sure what to do with it, but something needs to be done. To be quite frank, it's causing far too many problems with immigration. I'm not racist or xenophobic but it is causing racist attacks and jokes towards the EU people who are moving over here, and quite rightly so to be honest - and that probably contradicts my racism? I don't see why the UK just doesn't break away from the EU - our currency is stronger than theirs and America's, and we could go back to being the powerful UK we use to be. Or am I missing the point?

I have no problem with immigration. Hell, my family are immigrants.

In regards to the Euro, i don't know how well it would work for Britain. A Germany-France-Britain triad (the three strongest economies) would make one hell of a currency. But the British economy has a different base from France and Germany. It'd be difficult to synchronise policies to benefit each. Also, it puts power over currency into the ECB, which i dislike.

P.S. I am in no way saying that the holocaust was good, I was referring other things like the KdF etc.

A lot of my relatives were victims of the holocaust. I get a bit jumpy when subjects of racism etc are discussed.
 
Apr 2010
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The BNP scare me. Labour are a waste of time, i'm not a fan of the Tories. The Liberal Democrats are my favourites of the big three. I wasn't sure whether or not to vote, but my friends convinced me i should. So the Greens will have another vote. Not that it matters, since Charles Kennedy will still get in.

The BNP probably do scare anyone who isn't British and white =/

Heh, i'm a massive lefty. I love equality, so i dislike hierarchy and government. I'm all for liberty, democracy and socialism.

I had guessed from your previous signature. Don't get me wrong, democracy is great, but I dislike communism, it's far too 'shared out' if you will.

Hm, with Iraq, i think it was definitely wrong. Not to mention illegal under international law. With Afghanistan, i just think the whole thing could have been handled better. There was no need for war.

The Israel/Palestine conflict is one of my pet subjects.

Maybe I will do some reading up on it when I have some spare time, get some good conversations going.

I have no problem with immigration. Hell, my family are immigrants.

In regards to the Euro, i don't know how well it would work for Britain. A Germany-France-Britain triad (the three strongest economies) would make one hell of a currency. But the British economy has a different base from France and Germany. It'd be difficult to synchronise policies to benefit each. Also, it puts power over currency into the ECB, which i dislike.

When I referred to the other EUs, I didn't mean the well trained German, French etc. I meant the cheap polish labour. I know this is a huge generalisation, especially as one of my best friends dad was both Polish, and a highly respected surgeon.


A lot of my relatives were victims of the holocaust. I get a bit jumpy when subjects of racism etc are discussed.

Not a nice time in history at all, apart from this, I admire some of Hitler's political skills, such as his speeches.


I guess in general, I am central due to liking democracy and wanting the people in power to be there rightfully, but also part right as I think if you earn something, it's yours. I am still 16 so I think I have a lot to learn yet about this world.
 
Apr 2009
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The BNP probably do scare anyone who isn't British and white =/

Heh, i guess i have a licence, being German and Jewish.

I had guessed from your previous signature. Don't get me wrong, democracy is great, but I dislike communism, it's far too 'shared out' if you will.

I have no problem with a lot of things, so long as they are voluntary. I don't think people should be forced into a certain way of life. I'm something of a panarchist, in that sense. But beyond idealism, i just try to think what's most practical and does the most good. Most of the things i'd ultimately like to see are probably not possible without considerable fundamental social change.

When I referred to the other EUs, I didn't mean the well trained German, French etc. I meant the cheap polish labour. I know this is a huge generalisation, especially as one of my best friends dad was both Polish, and a highly respected surgeon.

When i visited Poland a few years ago, i seem to remember hearing that education is mandatory up to a very high stage. So technically, most of them should be very skilled, i would think. I'm not sure when that rule came in, though.

Not a nice time in history at all, apart from this, I admire some of Hitler's political skills, such as his speeches.

You mean the ones where he blamed all the country's problems on my ancestors and the commies?

I guess in general, I am central due to liking democracy and wanting the people in power to be there rightfully, but also part right as I think if you earn something, it's yours.

I'm for maximising democracy. It gives power to the people. I like that.

I agree that if you earn something, it should be yours. That's part of why i oppose capitalism. I suppose it will never happen in a pure form. There are taxes and so on. But there are ways of making that system as fair, just, accountable, and maximising its service for the public good, as possible.

I am still 16 so I think I have a lot to learn yet about this world.

Heh, don't we all?
 
Jul 2009
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So let me see if I have this down...

You're basically a non-racist moderate fascist that thinks democracy is useful but not as good as people claim and that the ends justify the means so long as the means, if not quite benevolent, are reversed once the end is reached.

Miss anything? Am I wrong? Right? :p

And don't take offense if I'm wrong or right with you disliking the term fascist, that pretty much defines my own politics until a few years ago, so I can't really judge anyone that holds such views.
 
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I have no problem with a lot of things, so long as they are voluntary. I don't think people should be forced into a certain way of life. I'm something of a panarchist, in that sense. But beyond idealism, i just try to think what's most practical and does the most good. Most of the things i'd ultimately like to see are probably not possible without considerable fundamental social change.

To me, communism seems very idealistic and not realistic. Democracy is far more achievable, just like the Weimar Republic had achieved hadn't it been for the flaw of Article 48 - I guess it seemed good at the time as it backs up what I think, if there's a government deciding, it could take a long time to decide but with that article, it can get done straight away. Shame it was exploited.

When i visited Poland a few years ago, i seem to remember hearing that education is mandatory up to a very high stage. So technically, most of them should be very skilled, i would think. I'm not sure when that rule came in, though.

I too heard this, can't remember where though. It's a shame that the British employees are exploiting them then =/ I think everyone should get minimum wage, whether they're British, European, American etc.

You mean the ones where he blamed all the country's problems on my ancestors and the commies?

It's hard to explain how I mean without causing too much offence. I meant how he could rally the people of German together just through a simple speech. He did lie an awful lot though, which when the truth was found out, basically went against all the 'work' he had done, for example the unemployment levels. He didn't include Women, or Jews and all Men had to work in the KdF, the army, or face prison.

I'm for maximising democracy. It gives power to the people. I like that.

I agree that if you earn something, it should be yours. That's part of why i oppose capitalism. I suppose it will never happen in a pure form. There are taxes and so on. But there are ways of making that system as fair, just, accountable, and maximising its service for the public good, as possible.

I too think democracy is good, as long as it's not slow. There has to be someone in charge of them like the P.M. but we need a PM with the right views too, for example, none of the politicians from the major parties today. We really need to shape up with our politicians and part of me hopes that I can't take one of my A level choices so my reserve option, Politics kicks in.


So let me see if I have this down...

You're basically a non-racist moderate fascist that thinks democracy is useful but not as good as people claim and that the ends justify the means so long as the means, if not quite benevolent, are reversed once the end is reached.

Miss anything? Am I wrong? Right? :p

And don't take offense if I'm wrong or right with you disliking the term fascist, that pretty much defines my own politics until a few years ago, so I can't really judge anyone that holds such views.

Haha, that's quite a generalised view of my politics, yes :D So what made you change your views?
 
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Haha, that's quite a generalised view of my politics, yes :D So what made you change your views?

They didn't so much change as evolve. Remember, replace corporate rights with worker rights and there's not much difference between fascism and socialism (which shouldn't surprise anyone being as fascism was created by a disillusioned socialist). Both have many of the same goals, it's only on economic control that they diverge significantly. Now the difference becomes more pronounced with Nazism (racism for example) but basic fascism is quite similar hanse people falsely claiming that the 2 are the same thing.

I gained more faith in the intelligence of workers and came to like the idea of a worker dictatorship and thus I'm now a socialist/leftist. I still hold extremely conservative views however, so if you ever doubt my being a former fascist/rightist, bring up a non-economic subject. :p
 
Apr 2010
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Well, maybe when I start work too my views will change but considering I'm not even a tax payer yet, I don't think they'll change :p Ha well, got a whole forum here to discuss ;) Will see you around, watching out for your fascist remarks ;)
 
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