Hillary's Testimony Emotional.

Stonewall · Jan 24, 2013

tecoyah said:
One is left to wonder if you felt the same way about GW...or was that Okay?

Deflection right off the bat. Interesting.

Had you actually paid attention, you would have noted there were no obvious lies, though there was obvious failure. Susan Rice was given information to convey to the public...and she did so as required in her job description. Hillary Clinton had information to dispute this information, as well as information to back it up, and as she was not involved in the talking point data (likely a bit busy at the time), she could not have corrected it regardless...that was not her job.

Susan Rice wasn't saying anything her boss and President Obama were saying, Jay Carney the WH spokesman was saying the same thing.

I agree she is accountable for the failures to protect our diplomat, and his security personnel, because that IS her job. She is paying right now with her reputation, people like you accusing her of lying, and a damaged future....fortunately for her, our criminal justice system does not lock people up because we do not like them.

Paying now with her reputation? You just told me you had great respect for her. And again.....won't she be the top candidate in 2016 for the Dem Ticket? If that "IS" her job then she didn't do it...clearly...and should be sacked. Post haste.

Mermaid · Jan 25, 2013

a777pilot said:
Yes, my comment was a bit crude but so what? Americans died due to her actions. That to me is even more rude and crude.

http://www.politisite.com/2013/01/17/retired-4-star-admiral-blows-whistle-on-benghazi-new-evidence/

no ,americans died because of the support given to so called arabian spring
l dont like her either ,but she is not the responsible one .

if you support radical islamists ,they dont show any mercy to you

chris7375 · Jan 25, 2013

Mermaid said:
no ,americans died because of the support given to so called arabian spring
l dont like her either ,but she is not the responsible one .

if you support radical islamists ,they dont show any mercy to you

She is in fact partly to blame for the errors at Benghazi. She was made aware that Stevens had bad feelings about the place. He asked for additional security to be brought over to tighten things up. He was going from what local intel he was given.

Those from Hillary on down were not heeding his position nor acting upon it. The were going by intel they were given. Now if I am truly going to consider intel that is valuable it would not be intel from several thousand miles away. It would be intel given to me from the person on the ground living there at that moment.

Here and people under her failed to act properly which makes this in part her fault.

tecoyah · Jan 25, 2013

In my opinion..the secretary of state has job, and is culpable for the performance.

As complex as this incident seems to be...somewhere, something failed.

Apparently we are still trying to find out what that some.... IS.

Okay, understandable.

It's likely a damn hard job, more than any of us have had to imagine, let alone do.

I have managed 400 people...and let me tell you it was tough.

I had six assistants, and each had six leads......I have a hard time envisioning 172,000 people under my control.
Let alone the fact some are going to die.

So....the mean nasty world does what it has always done and we humans kill each other, but this time we have a mass media and two opposing sides in our leadership that have decided to hate each other an be stupid.

Truly...a bad situation.

misterveritis · Jan 25, 2013

Which administration supports the Muslim Brotherhood?

Mermaid said:
no ,americans died because of the support given to so called arabian spring
l dont like her either ,but she is not the responsible one .

if you support radical islamists ,they dont show any mercy to you

Americans died because they were attacked by Islamofascists. The two-term Marxist, flexible with our enemies, president Barack Hussein Obama supports them.

H. Clinton is immediately responsible for her failure to pay attention. She is immediately responsible for not demanding that the One direct that the military run to the sound of the guns and defend our interests in Benghazi. She is immediately responsible for not going public immediately afterwards and either resigning in disgust at what the One failed to do or directly due to her role.

Mermaid · Jan 26, 2013

misterveritis said:
Americans died because they were attacked by Islamofascists. The two-term Marxist, flexible with our enemies, president Barack Hussein Obama supports them.

H. Clinton is immediately responsible for her failure to pay attention. She is immediately responsible for not demanding that the One direct that the military run to the sound of the guns and defend our interests in Benghazi. She is immediately responsible for not going public immediately afterwards and either resigning in disgust at what the One failed to do or directly due to her role.

those islamafascists were supported by us goverment and even hillary was surprised at the attacks of those islamists and declared she got disappointed and couldnt understand why they killed americans although usa had supported them during so called arabian spring

you can read it in every internet source.

misterveritis · Jan 26, 2013

This Regime supports this nation's enemies

Mermaid said:
those islamafascists were supported by us goverment and even hillary was surprised at the attacks of those islamists and declared she got disappointed and couldnt understand why they killed americans although usa had supported them during so called arabian spring

you can read it in every internet source.

Your words tell me that the two term Marxist is also culpable. The Marxist's policy is to support Islamofascists such ass the Muslim Brotherhood. We have seen nations who supported us or were neutral fall into the enemy camp with the assistance of the One.

If the regime was surprised that on September 11th Islamofascists attacked the US by assaulting a consulate then neither Clinton nor the One should retain their positions. They are way too busy propping up America's enemies and kissing Islamist butt to perform their duties.

Mermaid · Jan 26, 2013

there is no enemy .you create it in your mind . they dont want to go into a war with a world power which is located in the other part of the world .but they have oil...

those terrorists that attacked america on sept 11 were not iraqi but US started its great middle east project ( new world order ) from iraq .isnt saudi arabia an islamist regime ?

yes ,but it is not your enemy .l mean you dont have to cut your ties with any islamist as long as they obey your rules.

Stonewall · Jan 27, 2013

tecoyah said:
In my opinion..the secretary of state has job, and is culpable for the performance.

As complex as this incident seems to be...somewhere, something failed.

Apparently we are still trying to find out what that some.... IS.

Okay, understandable.

It's likely a damn hard job, more than any of us have had to imagine, let alone do.

I have managed 400 people...and let me tell you it was tough.

I had six assistants, and each had six leads......I have a hard time envisioning 172,000 people under my control.
Let alone the fact some are going to die.

So....the mean nasty world does what it has always done and we humans kill each other, but this time we have a mass media and two opposing sides in our leadership that have decided to hate each other an be stupid.

Truly...a bad situation.

I cannot imagine anything more irrelevant to the thread's topic than any member's management style tough or otherwise. This was a massive failure of policy and when some observers are claiming Hillary has accepted blame and is responsible, the New York Times Opinion pages and many leading Democrats are agreeing the Dem 2016 Presidential Ticket is hers for the taking.

The nation focused on some fake football players girlfriend or some drug taking cyclist apologies. This woman is an abject failure and we all sit here with that 800lb gorilla in the room and ignore it. We do so at our own peril.

misterveritis · Jan 27, 2013

This is nonsensical or naieve

Mermaid said:
there is no enemy .you create it in your mind . they dont want to go into a war with a world power which is located in the other part of the world .but they have oil...

those terrorists that attacked america on sept 11 were not iraqi but US started its great middle east project ( new world order ) from iraq .isnt saudi arabia an islamist regime ?

yes ,but it is not your enemy .l mean you dont have to cut your ties with any islamist as long as they obey your rules.

What are you talking about?

Islamofascists have been at war against the West since the 1970s. We have been late to the war.

Do you bring Iraq into this discussion to confound and confuse? It will not work. Nice try though.

You will have to do a much better job of explaining this position.

Stonewall · Jan 28, 2013

Mermaid said:
...those terrorists that attacked america on sept 11 were not iraqi.

They were Saudis, based, trained, and led from Afghanistan, who were motivated by Clinton policies concerning Iraq. But you knew that of course.

Mermaid · Jan 28, 2013

Stonewall said:
They were Saudis, based, trained, and led from Afghanistan, who were motivated by Clinton policies concerning Iraq. But you knew that of course.

who had supported and trained them against russians during cold war *

create a monster then try to eliminate it ,but also support as long as it obeys your rules

as in arabian spring

Stonewall · Jan 28, 2013

Mermaid said:
who had supported and trained them against russians during cold war *

create a monster then try to eliminate it ,but also support as long as it obeys your rules

as in arabian spring

America supported and trained so why then hate America. You have read OBL's Fatwa's, you are aware why we were attacked on 9-11, yes?

chris7375 · Jan 29, 2013

Stonewall said:
America supported and trained so why then hate America. You have read OBL's Fatwa's, you are aware why we were attacked on 9-11, yes?

Our occupation of the ME was his problem. His real issue started during the first Gulf War when we based our forces in Saudi Arabia.

Stonewall · Jan 29, 2013

chris7375 said:
Our occupation of the ME was his problem. His real issue started during the first Gulf War when we based our forces in Saudi Arabia.

Did he ever mention a best proof example of that occupation?

Our occupation of the Middle East, our support for Israel, and our policies towards Iraq in particular enraged OBL and he used all three to motivate his followers to commit murder. The Iraq War thread quotes OBL and al-Zawahiri to the letter, whereas Saudi Arabia was relevant as well, it was Iraq and our sanction and blockade and no fly zone enforcement that was the source of his rage, he writes in detail on the matter.

chris7375 · Jan 29, 2013

Stonewall said:
Did he ever mention a best proof example of that occupation?

Our occupation of the Middle East, our support for Israel, and our policies towards Iraq in particular enraged OBL and he used all three to motivate his followers to commit murder. The Iraq War thread quotes OBL and al-Zawahiri to the letter, whereas Saudi Arabia was relevant as well, it was Iraq and our sanction and blockade and no fly zone enforcement that was the source of his rage, he writes in detail on the matter.

Again during the First Gulf War we went in and Bush one said we would only stay until we finished freeing Kuwait. Though we never left. Saudi Arabia built military bases for us to use and stay at and we have since the first Gulf war. That was a big part of his problem.

They see us as an occupying force and in a way can you blame them? If we say one thing and do the opposite I would say they have every right to look upon us in that light because that is how we are making ourselves look.

Israel is a part of it too and for that part I am willing to take their hatred of us because Israel is our ally. Or should I say was our ally. The current Administration does not have the same views as other before them.

Our Government and its policies have brought that murder to us. So we bear the blame also not just them. We bear it in two ways. The first we were dumb enough to train and supply these nuts to facilitate a means of fighting the Soviet Union without having to actually engage them ourselves. Then we expect them to be appreciative towards us for doing them that favor. Then not expect the same thing to happen to us when we do the same thing the Soviet Union did .

Stonewall · Jan 29, 2013

chris7375 said:
Again during the First Gulf War we went in and Bush one said we would only stay until we finished freeing Kuwait. Though we never left. Saudi Arabia built military bases for us to use and stay at and we have since the first Gulf war. That was a big part of his problem.

that was a big oart of their problem, he listed the "three facts known to everyone".

They see us as an occupying force and in a way can you blame them? If we say one thing and do the opposite I would say they have every right to look upon us in that light because that is how we are making ourselves look.

I'm not blaming them, I'm just trying to be accurate, many here aren't aware Iraq was of major relevance to al-Qaeda.

Israel is a part of it too and for that part I am willing to take their hatred of us because Israel is our ally. Or should I say was our ally. The current Administration does not have the same views as other before them.

No, they don't

Our Government and its policies have brought that murder to us. So we bear the blame also not just them. We bear it in two ways. The first we were dumb enough to train and supply these nuts to facilitate a means of fighting the Soviet Union without having to actually engage them ourselves. Then we expect them to be appreciative towards us for doing them that favor. Then not expect the same thing to happen to us when we do the same thing the Soviet Union did .

They should have been appreciative. The Mujahadeen out on their feet and losing badly to the SU before our Stingers and training made such a significant difference. But our policies during Clinton's term is what he used to inspire his followers to commit such heinous murders on the level they did.

chris7375 · Jan 29, 2013

Stonewall said:
They should have been appreciative. The Mujahadeen out on their feet and losing badly to the SU before our Stingers and training made such a significant difference. But our policies during Clinton's term is what he used to inspire his followers to commit such heinous murders on the level they did.

Why should they if they look upon us as doing the same thing as Russia did. We never had much of a big problem with them prior too The First Gulf War. It is always policies that wind up effecting all this is nothing new.

As far as them being appreciative in reality why should they be. We in truth were using them to do our dirty work. As they used us for weapons and training. Our government saw an opportunity to fight an enemy without really having to fight the enemy. They saw an opportunity to get what they needed to fight. So they used those people to do the fighting, as they used us. It does not take much sense on a person's part to see this. So to be appreciative really should not be a part of the equation because we advanced our goal as did they theirs.

Stonewall · Jan 29, 2013

chris7375 said:
Why should they if they look upon us as doing the same thing as Russia did. We never had much of a big problem with them prior too The First Gulf War. It is always policies that wind up effecting all this is nothing new.

As far as them being appreciative in reality why should they be. We in truth were using them to do our dirty work. As they used us for weapons and training. Our government saw an opportunity to fight an enemy without really having to fight the enemy. They saw an opportunity to get what they needed to fight. So they used those people to do the fighting, as they used us. It does not take much sense on a person's part to see this. So to be appreciative really should not be a part of the equation because we advanced our goal as did they theirs.

We didn't use the Afghans, there were no precious resources to mop up, the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan and had the Afghans as a fighting force practically out on their feet. We supplied and supported the Afghans fearing the Soviet Union would expand making Afghanistan yet another satellite of the Soviet Union.

Appreciation should very much play, they were nearly and utterly defeated. We saved their arses.

misterveritis · Jan 29, 2013

chris7375 said:
Again during the First Gulf War we went in and Bush one said we would only stay until we finished freeing Kuwait. Though we never left. Saudi Arabia built military bases for us to use and stay at and we have since the first Gulf war. That was a big part of his problem.

Are you arguing that a nation cannot host us lest some Islamofascist get angry?

They see us as an occupying force and in a way can you blame them? If we say one thing and do the opposite I would say they have every right to look upon us in that light because that is how we are making ourselves look.

Why do you see this situation as America's enemies see it? Every nation we are in agrees to our being there. At any time they can politely ask us to leave. And we will.

Israel is a part of it too and for that part I am willing to take their hatred of us because Israel is our ally. Or should I say was our ally. The current Administration does not have the same views as other before them.

Israel has no strong Muslim Brotherhood component so of course the two term Marxist, flexible with our enemies, president Barack Hussein Obama is no friend of Israel.

Our Government and its policies have brought that murder to us. So we bear the blame also not just them.

I reject this in the strongest terms. Is the woman raped and murdered to blame because she dressed provocatively?

We bear it in two ways. The first we were dumb enough to train and supply these nuts to facilitate a means of fighting the Soviet Union without having to actually engage them ourselves.

I appreciate that we provided supplies, intelligence, communications, and training to the people who should have done the fighting to regain their country from the invaders. In my opinion our mistake was that we left when we should have stayed.

Then we expect them to be appreciative towards us for doing them that favor.

We helped them regain their country. For that favor we do not expect mass murder.

Then not expect the same thing to happen to us when we do the same thing the Soviet Union did .

I cannot understand the moral equivalency. The Soviet Union invaded to overthrow and enslave their nation. We invaded to overthrow Islamofascists who were brutalizing the nation. And we always leave when we are asked to.The Soviets had to be forced out.

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