Hollywood has to reach way back in time for cinematic enemies

Patrick · Sep 4, 2011

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1226753/

In 2011, we're STILL having movies about nazis, even though the nazis were overthrown 66 years ago.

Hey! I got an idea! How about making a movie where the al qaeda islamofascists were the enemy of the US? Gosh, didn't they just waste osama? Think of the great black ops movies they could conjure up!!

It would be great!! It would show america whipping al qaeda!! It would be exciting! It would be.........

NAHHHHHHHHHH.

It wouldn't be Pee See.

David · Sep 4, 2011

I take it you don't know about the movie about OBL's assassination currently in production? Or Traitor? or Green Zone?

myp · Sep 4, 2011

A few about the Afghanistan war: Restrepo, Brothers, and Lone Survivor.

David · Sep 4, 2011

How does that egg taste?

Patrick · Sep 4, 2011

David said:
I take it you don't know about the movie about OBL's assassination currently in production? Or Traitor? or Green Zone?

Traitor: Am american soldier is portrayed as a traitor.

Green Zone: (from Roger Ebert)

"Green Zone" looks at an American war in a way almost no Hollywood movie ever has: We're not the heroes, but the dupes. Its message is that Iraq's fabled "weapons of mass destruction" did not exist, and that neocons within the administration fabricated them, lied about them and were ready to kill to cover up their deception.

Yaaaaaa - both those movies really put the IFs in their place. Try again, Sparky.

Patrick · Sep 4, 2011

myp said:
A few about the Afghanistan war: Restrepo, Brothers, and Lone Survivor.

Restrepo: A documentary, not a movie. Strike one.

Brothers: About family conflicts and problems during wartime, not the war itself. Strike two.

Lone survivor: About american military failure. Strike three - you're out.

myp · Sep 4, 2011

Um... they are still about the war. And they are still movies.

David · Sep 4, 2011

Patrick said:
Traitor: Am american soldier is portrayed as a traitor.

Who was vindicated in the end after the cops realized he was really an undercover agent who stopped a major terrorist attack.

And even if it hadn't ended like that, why do movies need happy endings? Are you looking for movies or propaganda pieces?

Patrick · Sep 4, 2011

myp said:
Um... they are still about the war. And they are still movies.

Uhhhhh......nooooooo........one was a documentary, not a movie, and the thrust of my OP was clearly about making a movie that unequivocally is about the US getting the bad guys, like the US against the Nazis movies they've been making for 70 years, and still make, not an ambiguous or straight-forward anti-US Pee See movie that refuses to come to grips with the evil of alqaeda, even after the worst foreign attack on the US mainland since the War of 1812.

Patrick · Sep 4, 2011

David said:
Who was vindicated in the end after the cops realized he was really an undercover agent who stopped a major terrorist attack.

And even if it hadn't ended like that, why do movies need happy endings? Are you looking for movies or propaganda pieces?

The issue wasn't happy endings Sparky, it is about a clear, unambiguous portrayal of al qaeda as an enemy worthy of being destroyed.

David · Sep 4, 2011

Patrick said:
The issue wasn't happy endings Sparky, it is about a clear, unambiguous portrayal of al qaeda as an enemy worthy of being destroyed.

So you do want propaganda then.

Patrick · Sep 4, 2011

David said:
So you do want propaganda then.

No, I want america's enemies portrayed as america's enemies, instead of being a Pee See untouchable subject.

DodgeFB · Sep 4, 2011

Patrick said:
No, I want america's enemies portrayed as america's enemies, instead of being a Pee See untouchable subject.

I get it! If it is a turd you want it to look like a turd.

myp · Sep 4, 2011

There are plenty of pro-America movies- probably more so than not. Anyway, can't blame the market for not producing something- and with today's low barriers to entry almost anyone can enter- go ahead and grab a camcorder and make a movie the way you want it

Patrick · Sep 4, 2011

DodgeFB said:
I get it! If it is a turd you want it to look like a turd.

Well spoken, sir! Bravo!

David · Sep 4, 2011

Patrick said:
Well spoken, sir! Bravo!

Alas he thinks everything looks like a turd.

myp · Sep 4, 2011

DodgeFB said:
I get it! If it is a turd you want it to look like a turd.

Except that it is arguable whether or not it is a turd in some instances. There are two sides to every story.

DodgeFB · Sep 4, 2011

myp said:
Except that it is arguable whether or not it is a turd in some instances. There are two sides to every story.

True. You can take the same story make the "turd" look like a poor misunderstood turd only hiding from flies. Or show the turd as the piece of shit it really is.

David · Sep 4, 2011

DodgeFB said:
True. You can take the same story make the "turd" look like a poor misunderstood turd only hiding from flies. Or show the turd as the piece of shit it really is.

So what if the USA is a turd?

DodgeFB · Sep 4, 2011

David said:
So what if the USA is a turd?

It could be and has been before. But I would bet against it being said turd.

Hollywood has to reach way back in time for cinematic enemies

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