Zimmerman had all the authority in the world to pursue Martin, and no one had the authority to tell him not to. Rest of your post is good.
How Much Blame Should Go To Trayvon Martin's Parents ?
- Thread starter Protectionist
- Start date
Zimmerman had all the authority in the world to pursue Martin, and no one had the authority to tell him not to. Rest of your post is good.
Good thing for Zimmerman that the only witnesses that matter (Good & Smith) have already testified enough in his favor.
This is what Zimmerman looked like soon after martin started the fight, and zimmerman said he was walking back to his vehicle, when martin confronted him, and said " YO you have a problem ?"
zimmerman said "no I dont have a problem" martin said " you do now mother fu**er" and punched him in the nose" wrestled him to the ground, was hitting zimmermans head on the concreate, punching him, zimmerman yelled for help, but no one helped him (they called 911) but he wanted someone to physically restrain martin with him, thats when martin saw the gun underneath zimmermans jacket, and said " your going to die MF" and martin was going for the gun, but zimmerman got it first, also if you look at the time line, you will see that martin was in front of the house he was staying at, but walked all the way back the length of the street, and pursued zimmerman, instead of going in the house
zimmerman said "no I dont have a problem" martin said " you do now mother fu**er" and punched him in the nose" wrestled him to the ground, was hitting zimmermans head on the concreate, punching him, zimmerman yelled for help, but no one helped him (they called 911) but he wanted someone to physically restrain martin with him, thats when martin saw the gun underneath zimmermans jacket, and said " your going to die MF" and martin was going for the gun, but zimmerman got it first, also if you look at the time line, you will see that martin was in front of the house he was staying at, but walked all the way back the length of the street, and pursued zimmerman, instead of going in the house
Last edited:
I see evidence Zimmerman was losing a fight to the same unarmed kid he was pursuing, but where is the evidence that Martin started it? Aside from the testimony of the guy who shot him, that is.
Look at the timeline, martin was in front of the house he was staying at, instead of going in he went all the way back down the block, so that points to martin actually going after martin, instead of going in the house, you have to go by what evidence there is, because nobody saw the fight at the moment he started, again, look at the timeline when he was talking to the girl friend, she even said he was by the house, and he walked all the way back down the block to zimmerman ... AGAIN LOOK AT THE TIMELINE !!!!!!
My understanding is that Martin's house was down the block, that the fight didn't happen right in front of his house. However, even if it did, so what? If you were accosted by some nut carrying a gun who said "What are you doing here?" would you be in fear of your life? Would you have a right to "Stand your ground" against such a stalker?
I can't speak for what happened that night, but I can tell you what I'd do. If some asshole was following me, I'd confront them. If they showed me a gun and said "You don't belong here", I'd tell them to **** off. If they made a move for their gun or to attack me, I'd do my best to defend myself.
I'd stand my ground.
My understanding is that Martin's house was down the block, that the fight didn't happen right in front of his house. However, even if it did, so what? If you were accosted by some nut carrying a gun who said "What are you doing here?" would you be in fear of your life? Would you have a right to "Stand your ground" against such a stalker?
I can't speak for what happened that night, but I can tell you what I'd do. If some asshole was following me, I'd confront them. If they showed me a gun and said "You don't belong here", I'd tell them to **** off. If they made a move for their gun or to attack me, I'd do my best to defend myself.
I'd stand my ground.
1. No, I would not be in fear of my life. I would just ask the guy who he was and why he was questioing me. If he then said he was Neighborhood Watch, I'd say Oh OK that's cool, and then I'd tell him what I was doing there (briefly), and walk on. I see no problem with this.
2. I would not need to stand my gound, because the guy is only asking me a question, not attacking me. LOL.
3. Zimmerman did not engage in stalking. By Florida law, "stalking" entails harassment, maliciousness, and repetitive behavior. Zimmerman didn't harass, wasn't malicious (he had a security reason), and everything he did, he did once, not repeatedly.
4. Your response (telling the guy to f**k off) is stupid and create needless trouble. YOU would be the troublemaker, at that point. You are making trouble by your needlessly defensive attitude, when no one is attacking you, or doing anything to harm you, and you have nothing to "stand your ground" FROM.
5. To the woman holding the sign >> No it doesn't.... because he wasn't attacked (or at least we have no reason to believe he was).
According to whom? Oh yeah, the guy standing over the dead body of an unarmed teenager.
Well, if you can come up with a video or another witness,maybe then we can talk about it. Until then, we have no reason to believe TM was attacked. If anyone thinks they have a reason to believe that he WAS attacked, let's hear it.
If Martin was a relative of yours, I doubt you'd be so quick to let the shooter get off scot–free.
As for video, if there was one, Zimmerman wouldn't be in court. Zimmerman's own 911 call had him disturbed that "These assholes. They always get away." and had him pursuing the drugged-out, hoodie-wearing black male. What initially happened when Zimmerman found Martin is only known to Zimmerman. Is there any doubt he'd lie to save his own ass? Remember, this is the same guy who lied to a court judge about his finances.
As for video, if there was one, Zimmerman wouldn't be in court. Zimmerman's own 911 call had him disturbed that "These assholes. They always get away." and had him pursuing the drugged-out, hoodie-wearing black male. What initially happened when Zimmerman found Martin is only known to Zimmerman. Is there any doubt he'd lie to save his own ass? Remember, this is the same guy who lied to a court judge about his finances.
1. Security people are SUPPOSED to pursue suspects. You didn't know that ? (Florida Dept. of Agriculture & Consumer Services, Division of Licensing - security Officer Class D license course and manual))
2. No need to inject race into it. So far the only one who did that was Martin with his "creepy ass cracker" slur.
3. You don't have a shred of evidence to say that Zimmerman found Martin. It might well have been Martin who found Zimmerman, just before sneaking up on him, and then sucker punching him. Remember, this is the guy who is a proven burglar, who lied about stolen jewelry found in his backpack, a criminal of burglary and vandalism, and with a long line of disturbingly anti-social internet postings.
1. Not Neighborhood Watch.
2. I didn't inject race. I stated fact. Are you denying Zimmerman reported a black male in his call to 911? Are you saying I have to be politically correct and not mention facts that Zimmerman himself stated?
3. No shredding. The fact remains, aside from Zimmerman's comments, there is no evidence Martin attacked Zimmerman first. BTW, it's interesting that you inject opinions and reports that Zimmerman had zero knowledge about the night he pursued Martin.
2. I didn't inject race. I stated fact. Are you denying Zimmerman reported a black male in his call to 911? Are you saying I have to be politically correct and not mention facts that Zimmerman himself stated?
3. No shredding. The fact remains, aside from Zimmerman's comments, there is no evidence Martin attacked Zimmerman first. BTW, it's interesting that you inject opinions and reports that Zimmerman had zero knowledge about the night he pursued Martin.
1. NW. Security Guards, security officers, access controllers, loss prevention, night watchmen, rovers, concerned citizens. Take your pick. Florida's prescribed procedures are STANDARD for security that exist for ANYONE who does security.
2. Yes I AM denying that Zimmerman reported a black male. That statement suggests he offered that information unprompted. FALSE! He only mentioned race when he was asked that by the dispatcher. Even if he had not been asked, it still would have been normal procedure have race as one of the elements of a description, (ex. Black male, 16-20 yrs old, 6 feet tall, 160 pounds, wearing black hoodie, gray pants, and sneakers.) If you don't have a problem with sneakers, 6 feet tall, or male, then you don't have a problem with "black" either. But then you knew that, didn't you ?
And YES YOU DID inject race. You mentioned "black" male, when there is nothing to show any relevance to that.
3. There doesn't have to be evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman. Zimmerman does not bear the burden of proof. That burden lies with the Sanfords Police and now the prosecution, both of whom have been improper. And yes it IS interesting that I inject reports about Martin's burglaries and anti-social behavior. Because they prove we're talking about a criminal. I'd guess you knew that too ? I'm assuming you're not stupid.
It is time to talk
While I understand we all can become fixated on an issue, the forum has become inundated by yours. I very much wish to see increased activity here, but not at the expense of quality of content.
I ask that you refrain from any further threads on this issue...otherwise deletion will ensue.
Thank You in advance.
While I understand we all can become fixated on an issue, the forum has become inundated by yours. I very much wish to see increased activity here, but not at the expense of quality of content.
I ask that you refrain from any further threads on this issue...otherwise deletion will ensue.
Thank You in advance.
1. By that definition, we're all "Security people" lawful to pursue and shoot unarmed suspects.
2. Figures you'd deny obvious fact that conflicts with your obsession to defend Zimmerman against all fault and responsibility. Here's his own quotes from the 911 call: Audio: Calls from George Zimmerman, neighbor capture last minutes of Trayvon Martin's life - The Washington Post
"he's a black male."
3. In a court of law you are correct. Whether or not he actually murdered Martin will be judged by God. The final judgement of you and me also remains in that realm.
1. Yes, you could say we're all security people. Why not ? And yes, it is lawful for any of us to pursue and shoot unarmed suspects (if that unarmed suspect is attacking us).
2. All you was confirm what I said. The "he's a black male came (as I said) in RESPONSE to a question asked by the dispatcher.
Similar threads
