You didn't answer the question, what did God do that was so wrong. If you dont believe in him, then the answer is nothing
You didn't answer the question, what did God do that was so wrong. If you dont believe in him, then the answer is nothing
So you are saying we people who have only been here for 30000 years created the god that created the uninivers 14000000000 years ago?
Either God is fact or fiction, you cant have your cake and eat it to.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
- John 1:1 (KJV)
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To say that God created the universe before man existed, petitio principii, begs the question of the independent existence of god in the first instance, which is fallacious. God cannot exist independent of man because man invented god, just as man invented language. Consider that without the word "God" - god does not exist.
- John 1:1 (KJV)
. . .
To say that God created the universe before man existed, petitio principii, begs the question of the independent existence of god in the first instance, which is fallacious. God cannot exist independent of man because man invented god, just as man invented language. Consider that without the word "God" - god does not exist.
So the universe didn't exist before man, being that the unvierse cant exist without man, universe is just a word.
So you are saying man is god?
How can it be fallacious, God is a word we use to describe an idea and sence all ideas are discribed by words using your logic man did infact create a worm.
We have to use words to communicat. And where God is just a word there is a concept, a rather intellegent one behind it.
" . . . the gods do not care for men's plans. They do not like men's success either, unless it is accidental, and they will take revenge against the man who is successful by his own design."
- John Steinbeck, The Pearl, ch. 3, p. 37 (1947)
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Divine Augustus was worshiped as a god in his lifetime; but he preferred to be thought of as a great man. Jesus was not made a god until after his death; but then he cuts a rather poor figure as a god. Somehow, the man who preached the Sermon on the Mount seems greater than the miracle-worker of the gospels. Still, anyone who could turn water into wine would have been worth inviting to a party.
- John Steinbeck, The Pearl, ch. 3, p. 37 (1947)
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Divine Augustus was worshiped as a god in his lifetime; but he preferred to be thought of as a great man. Jesus was not made a god until after his death; but then he cuts a rather poor figure as a god. Somehow, the man who preached the Sermon on the Mount seems greater than the miracle-worker of the gospels. Still, anyone who could turn water into wine would have been worth inviting to a party.
To answer your questions:
The universe exists only to the extent of man’s knowledge of it; which exists only through man’s use of language. Without language, you cannot know anything. Language is the symbolic representation by which the mind interprets sensual perception. Language is the synapse, metaphorically speaking, through which we make sense of external stimuli. In this sense, language is critical to thinking; for without language, we have no means of distinguishing what our senses perceive. See S.I. Hayakawa, Language in Thought and Action (1939). Without language, you would have no way of knowing what you see when you look at the sun; it would have no meaning for you at all.
The universe exists only to the extent of man’s knowledge of it; which exists only through man’s use of language. Without language, you cannot know anything. Language is the symbolic representation by which the mind interprets sensual perception. Language is the synapse, metaphorically speaking, through which we make sense of external stimuli. In this sense, language is critical to thinking; for without language, we have no means of distinguishing what our senses perceive. See S.I. Hayakawa, Language in Thought and Action (1939). Without language, you would have no way of knowing what you see when you look at the sun; it would have no meaning for you at all.
Jesus was God when he was in his mothers womb. Of course people wright about things after they happen. How could they know before. As for the John steinbeck quote that is as much clap trap as any other religion, because it assuems god exists seperate of man, and you claim God was created by man, i don't see how that helps your point.
Things don't exist without man, so basically what you are saying perception is reality? If man can experiance something then it exists correct? But what if all man doesn't percive things the same way. Where I see blue you may see green, so niether one of us is wrong?
I agree 100% with your discription of language so therefore I think of God as the answer to the unknowable question, why does the universe exist? Simply saying because is irational in this case God is a better answer.
Unhappily, as you will find out for yourself, God is not the answer. And faith is a false substitute for the answer.
Count Tolstoy spent much of his later years searching for the meaning of his life. For someone who had everything in life - fame, fortune, family, freedom - he wanted more; he wanted to know why. He studied science, history and philosophy, as well as the great religions of the world. He consulted the greatest teachers, scientists, philosophers and theologians, but he could find none to answer the simple question of existence. All that anyone could tell him was that man and the universe exists, but that there was no explanation for it. No matter how he posed the question, it all came back to the point that life was meaningless; and he knew no more than he knew before. Then, in the end, he ceased to doubt, and took solace in knowing the truth about man’s false beliefs. See Leo Tolstoy, A Confession and Other Religious Writings (1879-82).
In 1901, Tolstoy was excommunicated from the church by the Russian Synod and placed on a watch list of subversives by the Czar’s government.
Count Tolstoy spent much of his later years searching for the meaning of his life. For someone who had everything in life - fame, fortune, family, freedom - he wanted more; he wanted to know why. He studied science, history and philosophy, as well as the great religions of the world. He consulted the greatest teachers, scientists, philosophers and theologians, but he could find none to answer the simple question of existence. All that anyone could tell him was that man and the universe exists, but that there was no explanation for it. No matter how he posed the question, it all came back to the point that life was meaningless; and he knew no more than he knew before. Then, in the end, he ceased to doubt, and took solace in knowing the truth about man’s false beliefs. See Leo Tolstoy, A Confession and Other Religious Writings (1879-82).
In 1901, Tolstoy was excommunicated from the church by the Russian Synod and placed on a watch list of subversives by the Czar’s government.
I want proof of this, because i say God is.
Your claims are as unfounded as anyone elses, no proof, no evidence, no theories, just your opinion, vs mine.
Telling me my beliefs are clap trap because some other guy that wrote a book and you share his opinion is as irrational as my thinking an unknown force created the universe.
If life is so pointless, why bother?
You never have and I doubt you ever willWe have known each other quite awhile now and I have yet to do that I hope.
Sadly though, it is often the case that Atheists are portrayed as seeking only to undermine 'belief'. There are ofcourse some who delight in following that route but the majority of us do not.
You never have and I doubt you ever will
Sadly though, it is often the case that Atheists are portrayed as seeking only to undermine 'belief'. There are ofcourse some who delight in following that route but the majority of us do not.
Atheists seem that way sometimes but us christians sometimes forget that our beliefs, no matter how devout, are ours only. And what ever experiance we have can not be shared, and simply saying that we are right because we believe we are, is unfounded. Where there is no evedence eitherway, how can anybody be right.
The argument always has been, and always will be based on the same evidence and different inturpritations.
Thats true. If only people would simply respect that others have a different outlook than their own rather than insisting that their view is the only possible one to hold, we would all get along a lot better than we do.
I like where your coming from. I was not into God, but later I had to try and find a god of my experience to help me with an addiction. I can't prove the experience of God but the experience is real, how can you describe color to a blind man, you can't, you can only tell him where the light switch is and the light switch today is DMT, Dimethyltryptamine, this coumpound our bodies create naturally is the science behind the God Experience...unfortunatly science is not letting it happen.
Supplemental serotonin cannot cross the blood brain barrier so I doubt the validity of your statement. That aside, what's your point?
