Iran: a budding democracy in 1953: what destroyed that democracy?

You are so blissfully ignorant that it's funny. Still haven't actually looked at the CSmonitor I see.

I'll say it one last time. No proof whatsoever that we were paid off to do it. I guess I should also point out the logical disconnect. Why exactly would a cut of the oil profits be the one thing that suddenly made the CIA decide to do it. They aren't going to look at having a perfect little puppet country in the Middle East as enough of an incentive? They would have left it completely alone if those evil oil companies wouldn't have given them some money? (Even assuming that they did)

The Parakeet said:

Well...it was the United States and a CIA operation. What do I win?

I don't know anyone who doesn't know that. We were afraid that he was going to make the country become socialists (there was talk of nationalizing the oil wells). If Iran went socialist then the entire middle east would probably follow and we were scared. So we put in a dictator we could control. He was harsh. The main resistance movement was religion based and started the Iran we know and love after they took control.

I'm not sure about Ron Paul being involved in speaking against it. I hadn't heard any of his commentary on it before.

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Your reasoning is the reason why America got attacked by terrorists. Americas constant meddling in other countries affairs. They dont like it!! We wouldnt like it if Iran came over here and tried to over throw our government. Is it out of our place to tell them that they cant have the type of government that the people want. That is the EXACT reason they are mad at us! Not cuz they HATE OUR FREEDOM but because America trys to make THEM less free!

Socialism is not communism. With communism there is no private owner ship of companies and businesses!!!!!! With socialism there is!!!!!!! Is is so bad that Iran wanted to make ALL there peoples lives better???

Please read the following discussion that occurred. It wasn't a good thing. We both agree on that.

Politics is usually "Beyond Good & Evil" and about what is right for your own country. We wanted an oil source that would never, ever, never, ever, ever, ever fall into Soviet hands. Some guy talking about workers rights is enough to stir up the ultra conservatives to join in (just look at what things the House Committee on Un-American Activities investigated). A perfect storm of political intrigue.

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An interesting if a somewhat vitriolic discussion. It is not surprising that after WWII with the USA feeling quite chummy with Great Britain and feeling some what capitalistic, they might have looked at the nationalizing of Iranian oil as no no.

Not to mention that GB owed the USA tons of money and if they were stripped of their resources, our British chums would have a harder time paying us back. Now Western concerns as to the feelings and desires of Near or Mid Eastern inhabitants has been suspect for some few centuries, except perhaps for the odd British Lt Colonel.

The USA became quite adventurous around the end of the 19th Century, as those that recall the Spanish American War along with the "protectorates" or "colonial empires" such as Puerto Rico, Guam and the Philippines. Once we started down that path, much to the dismay of many, we have never really gotten off it. Though we did manage to quit acquiring the land and simply wanted it to be run as we saw fit, per our period of Banana Wars.

That we helped set someone on the thrown, after removing their elected Prime Minister, isn't particulary surprising, given the CIA was still being run by the same folks that ran the OSS during WWII.

Thank you Sparks. I've been trying to remember "Banana Wars" forever. I keep thinking it was Chiquita or something like that. That was really bugging me. I was trying to tell him that Iran isn't a good example of corporate greed overthrowing a country. Especially since there are proven examples that he's ignoring.

We've been trying to install puppet leaders since our earliest days. We tried to do it all the way back in the war with the Barbary Pirates even.

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