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Is it okay to stone an adulator, burn a witch or kill someone for eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics? That's what the Bible says.

Of course not. Christians don't live under Old Testament laws and rituals. If you don't understand the doctrine of Christianity, then you need to educate yourself before you engage in this debate. Idiot.
 

myp

Jan 2009
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I said New Testament. The Christian Church's doctrine is found in the New Testament. Answer my question.
The New Testament also has rules for slavery. Also, you bring up a great point here- not all Christians adhere to the New Testament, so how can the New Testament and Christianity be synonymous when some adhere to the Old Testament?

"When muslims beat their wives and commit acts of terrorism, they are just doing what is written in the Quran.
Okay.

When Christians murder or beat their wives, they are NOT acting like Christians because their New Testament tells them that it is wrong."
Yes, but when they enslave someone, then they ARE acting like Christians (by your logic) because the Bible allows for it.
 
May 2012
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Up in the hills
Thank you, I am not well-versed enough in the Bible to come up with many examples off the top of my head.

David is applying Old Testament laws and rituals. Christians do not live under OT laws and rituals. The Christian doctrine is found in the New Testament.

You and David should educate yourselves before you enter into debates on religion.
 
May 2012
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Up in the hills
The New Testament also has rules for slavery. Also, you bring up a great point here- not all Christians adhere to the New Testament, so how can the New Testament and Christianity be synonymous when some adhere to the Old Testament?


Okay.


Yes, but when they enslave someone, then they ARE acting like Christians (by your logic) because the Bible allows for it.

You're still applying OT laws and rituals to Christians. When Christians do that then they are wrong because the NT does not condone slavery.
 

myp

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David is applying Old Testament laws and rituals. Christians do not live under OT laws and rituals. The Christian doctrine is found in the New Testament.

You and David should educate yourselves before you enter into debates on religion.

There are people that believe in the Old Testament. Are you really arguing there is no one that adheres to it?

And we both realize that you are making illogical arguments. It is not even a matter of Christianity and hence we don't have to know about it extensively necessarily. This is a matter of logic. And you are using a double standard in analyzing Islam vs. Christianity.
 
May 2012
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Up in the hills
There are people that believe in the Old Testament. Are you really arguing there is no one that adheres to it?

And we both realize that you are making illogical arguments. It is not even a matter of Christianity and hence we don't have to know about it extensively necessarily. This is a matter of logic. And you are using a double standard in analyzing Islam vs. Christianity.

What people do is not the point. The point is the Quran teaches evil and the New Testament doesn't. That has been my point from the beginning and I have made my point.

I am using ONE standard. The Quran teaches murdering the nonbeliever and to not make friends with Christians or Jews. The New Tesament teaches to love your neighbor and that murder is wrong. The Quran teaches wife beating. The New Testament doesn't.

The only problem I see is your dishonesty.
 
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myp

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What people do is not the point. The point is the Quran teaches evil and the New Testament doesn't. That has been my point from the beginning and I have made my point.

I am using ONE standard. The Quran teaches murdering the nonbeliever and to not make friends with Christians or Jews. The New Tesament teaches to love your neighbor and that murder is wrong. The Quran teaches wife beating. The New Testament doesn't.

The only problem I see is your dishonesty.

The Old Testament is just as much a part of Christianity as the New Testament is. Christianity just back-tracked when science and the evolution of morality made them look bad or wrong. The Quran didn't do that. Either way both have things that are not acceptable in today's world. Might be time to back-track again. Or maybe it is just time to ditch the fairy tales.

You call me dishonest and that is fine, but I am making an argument through reason. I have no problem if you want to believe in a fairy tale- that is your call to do so. I do have an issue when you slander others because they believe in another fairy tale just because you think yours is better though.
 
May 2012
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Up in the hills
The Old Testament is just as much a part of Christianity as the New Testament is. Christianity just back-tracked when science and the evolution of morality made them look bad or wrong. The Quran didn't do that. Either way both have things that are not acceptable in today's world. Might be time to back-track again. Or maybe it is just time to ditch the fairy tales.

You call me dishonest and that is fine, but I am making an argument through reason. I have no problem if you want to believe in a fairy tale- that is your call to do so. I do have an issue when you slander others because they believe in another fairy tale just because you think yours is better though.

Nope. God made a new covenent with man when Jesus Christ died on the cross. Christians are not under any OT law or rituals.

You are making an arugment through ignorance. You admit you don't understand scripture or Christian doctrine very well and your posts prove that admission.

You really should not be debating Islam and Christianity until you understand them.
 

myp

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Nope. God made a new covenent with man when Jesus Christ died on the cross.

You are making an arugment through ignorance. You admit you don't understand scripture or Christian doctrine very well and your posts prove that admission.

My argument is not about Christianity at all. It is about reason. You are being a hypocrite by judging similar situations in Christianity and Islam differently.
 
May 2012
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Up in the hills
My argument is not about Christianity at all. It is about reason. You are being a hypocrite by judging similar situations in Christianity and Islam differently.

Then start a topic on "reason". This thread says "Islamism" at the top.

Now you're showing more ignorance for calling me a hypocrite over doctrines you admit you're not very familiar with. YOU are the one who injected Christianity into the discussion. You're drowning and flailing wildly.
 
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Jul 2009
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Of course not. Christians don't live under Old Testament laws and rituals. If you don't understand the doctrine of Christianity, then you need to educate yourself before you engage in this debate. Idiot.

So Christians don't follow the 10/11 Commandments? Christians don't recognize the Sabbath? The OT is in the bible for a reason, some (like you) simply pretend it doesn't matter and hope nobody calls you out. Case in point, homosexuality is condemned in the same book I got all that other BS from. So is wanting to ban homosexual marriage un-Christian? :p
 
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Nope. God made a new covenent with man when Jesus Christ died on the cross. Christians are not under any OT law or rituals.

You are making an arugment through ignorance. You admit you don't understand scripture or Christian doctrine very well and your posts prove that admission.

You really should not be debating Islam and Christianity until you understand them.

Jesus flat out said he came to restore Jewish law, not replace it. The OT still applies, some less then devout Christians just try to ignore it.
 

myp

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You're drowning and flailing wildly.

That is not your call to make ;)

By the way, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the New Testament also teach you not to judge people? That judgement is the role of God? If so, then why are you judging Islamic people here? Is that your place according to your own religion? And also, does that not prove my point that people don't necessarily abide by the texts verbatim (whether intentionally or unintentionally)?
 
Jun 2012
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Turkey
Oh, I see. They made a big mistake when they attacked the USA.

That's why İranian support for any community is not related to the poeple's religion, just like the US does. İt is all about policy, the same way İran opposes some sunni terrorist organizations with political reasons.


The first mistake was what US did, I think. ''Enemy of my enemy is friend'' mentality is just harmful and dangerous and America has experienced it.
 
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