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I don't know any Christians personally, so I certainly don't know what a "real Christian" is.

I do know a lot of orthodox Jews that love Israel, and are yet stauncher Zionists than I am.

Scripture teaches that the Messiah restores Israel. No Bible-believing Christian or Jew can approve of any "Israel" apart from the Messiah. It's a matter of whether you believe truth or lies. I know where you stand, but your inauthenticity doesn't impact the truth.
 
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All the observant Jews I've known can be described in 3 points:
  1. Conservative, both fiscally and socially.
  2. They think Israel (as it exists today) is an insult to their religion and preventing the prophesied return of Israel.
  3. They're quite friendly as long as you don't do anything non-Kosher in front of them or say anything anti-semitic.

Yes - actual Jews feel the way I do about 'Israel'. It is a shameful thing to all sorts of beliefs. Jews have been converting for many centuries, just as people have been converting the other way. People find their own truth.
 
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Scripture teaches that the Messiah restores Israel. No Bible-believing Christian or Jew can approve of any "Israel" apart from the Messiah. It's a matter of whether you believe truth or lies. I know where you stand, but your inauthenticity doesn't impact the truth.

There are a number of ways one could understand the passage about Moshiach. My way, though different even from most Jews, is not even controversial in Orthodox circles.

You have no legitimacy in questioning my "authenticity".

Yes - actual Jews feel the way I do about 'Israel'.

And you have no legitimacy in deciding who is an actual Jew.
 
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And you have no legitimacy in deciding who is an actual Jew.

Oh yes I do - Jews are never nazis, and zionists are - racist murderers, especially of young children are not Jews but criminals.
 
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I cannot get rid of all these posts above, and I do not understand what is wrong with the system.
 
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Heh....your very comments seem to validate the lack of legitimacy you are trying to deny.

The obvious disdain projects a deep bias that does indeed make your opinions on this questionable. Generally, using the term "Nazi" as an arbitrary insult does not in any way add to an argument, nor does calling others racist murderers of small children...you eventually become pointless in debate.
 
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Heh....your very comments seem to validate the lack of legitimacy you are trying to deny.

The obvious disdain projects a deep bias that does indeed make your opinions on this questionable. Generally, using the term "Nazi" as an arbitrary insult does not in any way add to an argument, nor does calling others racist murderers of small children...you eventually become pointless in debate.

I never use the word 'nazi' as arbitrary insult: read up on the history of zionism. Its roots are in Nineteenth Century German nationalism as are the roots of the National Socialist Party, and Netenyahu's spriitual father, Jabotinski, was a great admirer of Mussolini, essentially a fascist. The only objection to Hitler these scumbags ever had was that he killed Jews instead of letting them have them for cannon fodder. I call them nazis to point to their total evil, and to keep denying them their use of the murdered Jewish people to justify their stinking colony and pretend to be the victims of the people they rob and murder. The nazis occupying Palestine have killed well over two thousand children as a deliberate policy (you think it chance?) as against 123. The Jewish people in Germany had a choice - fight for world revolution, escape or develop their own form of nazism. Thank goodness, most managed to get out without turning shite, but the three-card-trick by which these successors of Hitler get the support of the descendants of his victims is pretty sick -as is your tedious attempt to smear me.
 
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I made no attempt to "Smear" you...and apologize for any slight you feel. My attempt at pointing out debate issues has obviously been seen as insult and I will bow out.
 
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Oh yes I do - Jews are never nazis, and zionists are - racist murderers, especially of young children are not Jews but criminals.

We are not murderers. We do more than anyone else in making sure we don't hurt civilians - we go further than any other country in the world. We don't murder, we defend ourselves.

I never use the word 'nazi' as arbitrary insult: read up on the history of zionism.

The history of Zionism has very little to do with the Nazis, apart from the fact that it made people realise that, very much like yourself, that everyone hates us, and we need a safe place.

Its roots are in Nineteenth Century German nationalism as are the roots of the National Socialist Party,

Is that something you made up for attention, or something you read on the BNP website? Modern Zionism really only made an appearance when an Austro-Hungarian journalist, called Theodor Herzl suggested a Jewish response to anti-Semitism, after reporting on the Dreyfus Affair in France.

and Netenyahu's spriitual father, Jabotinski, was a great admirer of Mussolini, essentially a fascist.

Jabotinski was many things, all of which I disapprove of, but he was not a fascist. In fact, his views on Zionism came down to ones similar to Noam Chomsky, although by different means.

I call them nazis to point to their total evil, and to keep denying them their use of the murdered Jewish people to justify their stinking colony and pretend to be the victims of the people they rob and murder.

No, you do it because you want to diminish the severity of the Shoah. You don't think we're Nazis, you're a teenage keyboard warrior, sitting in your mother's basement. You don't know what a Zionist is, you don't know what a Nazi is, you certainly don't know what total evil is. You just want to spread your hatred to be controversial for the purpose of garnering attention.

The nazis occupying Palestine have killed well over two thousand children as a deliberate policy (you think it chance?) as against 123.

It has never been deliberate. Every civilian casualty is a tragedy. Regarding Gaza, there would be far fewer civilian casualties. But Hamas, the Jew-hating group with actual links to the Nazis, use civilians as human shields, hide in densely populated residential areas, and encourage children to run toward incoming projectiles etc and encourage them to be "martyrs". We have never tried to kill civilians - we take every precaution we can, to the point of calling off missiles mid-flight, because there are civilians in the area.

The Jewish people in Germany had a choice

The Jewish people in Germany had no choice, but to die and hide.
 
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"'Six million' Jews killed in the Holocaust" appears to be a significant exaggeration." Response, "You're a holocaust denier. You're a Nazi!"

"Israel violates the human rights of Palestinians." Response, "Israel is just protecting itself. You're a Nazi!"

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"Israel is like Nazi Germany because it's a racialist state, occupies land of its neighbors with dubious justification, and it may present a genocidal danger against the Palestinians." Response, "It's not nice to compare Israel to Nazi Germany and my @ss says Israel is no genocidal threat."
 
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Zionists are not Jews - they are nazis. German people were not all nazis, and neither are all Israelis nazis - but the murder-gang in charge will kill anyone who dares resist enslavement and all the children their US paymasters will allow them to murder - which is rather many, isn't it?
 

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Okay, this isn't going anywhere good. I am going to close this thread before it gets out of hand. If anyone has something logical to say and can do so without name-calling or sarcasm, pm me and I will open it back up. Locked.
 
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