****ing guy keeps talking about 'rebuilding America' as an investment in the country. Idiot, one needs MONEY to rebuild. The USA HAS NONE.
****ing guy keeps talking about 'rebuilding America' as an investment in the country. Idiot, one needs MONEY to rebuild. The USA HAS NONE.
"Rebuild America" translates to "disgorging billions of dollars to my cronies and political supporters." We don't need any of this "rebuilding" crap - we need to stop spending money.
Patrick, Fascist Canuck, et al,
Rebuilding means putting Americans to work assembling a nation with a competitive advantage in local and global markets.
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I understand completely. There are millions of people that would agree with you. They are not interested in building a better America either. They believe that doing nothing is a better choice.
I come from a different persuasion. I believe, like my father before me, that we have a great nation of hidden talent, that we need to repair our roads and the pot holes that fill them, that we need a better electric power grid for cheaper energy, that we need to adopt more in alternative energy sources, that we need better waterways to improve commerce and prevent wide-scale flooding, that we need to build the Gulf Coast region to prevent storm damage ... and on and on.
All these things make a stronger America; not a deteriorating county falling into decline.
Most Respectfully,
R
Rebuilding means putting Americans to work assembling a nation with a competitive advantage in local and global markets.
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I understand completely. There are millions of people that would agree with you. They are not interested in building a better America either. They believe that doing nothing is a better choice.
I come from a different persuasion. I believe, like my father before me, that we have a great nation of hidden talent, that we need to repair our roads and the pot holes that fill them, that we need a better electric power grid for cheaper energy, that we need to adopt more in alternative energy sources, that we need better waterways to improve commerce and prevent wide-scale flooding, that we need to build the Gulf Coast region to prevent storm damage ... and on and on.
All these things make a stronger America; not a deteriorating county falling into decline.
Most Respectfully,
R
What does it take for people like you to grasp that we are $15 TRILLION in debt? By analogy, if you personally were $1 million in debt, what would your family think of you if you said "Hey, I got an idea - let's build a $10 million house!!!"
Also, the issue is not whether one wants a better country, but the best way to do it. Statists want to so it by giving another body blow to an economy already flat on its back, by raising taxes, creating more debt, printing money, assuming broad new powers in the government, and creating ever more business killing regulation. To recover, what this country needs is at least a ten year vacation from clueless government types and their grandiose megalomaniacal schemes.
RoccoR, I will be responding to your post, just bear with me as it is exams week and I have a busy schedule right now.
Also this isn't about statists so much as economics (something I know you have much trouble understanding). If you believe in a liquidity trap or a major role of confidence in markets, then an argument for certain stimulus might stand.
In that analogy the person with $1 million in debt also produces $1 million worth of goods a year and can borrow at ~2% on a 10-year loan. I am all for cutting spending (let's start with the big government projects in your pro-war policies, shall we?), but exaggerating things isn't going to get you very far. Also, no one, as far as I know, is proposing $150 trillion in spending (which is analogous to your $10 million house).
Also this isn't about statists so much as economics (something I know you have much trouble understanding). If you believe in a liquidity trap or a major role of confidence in markets, then an argument for certain stimulus might stand.
It will have been clear to anyone except those with your density that what I gave was an >>>analogy<<, not an exact mathematical proportion, the entire meaning of which is that it's insane to pile debt upon immense debt.
The connection between the two is something ungraspable by someone with your low IQ.
You were giving a hyperbole* which was an inadequate analogy. When you phrase it with my corrections it doesn't seem as bad does it?
Need to resort to personal attacks when you don't understand something? Aw, too bad.The connection between the two is something ungraspable by someone with your low IQ.
How about we let the others decide which analogy works best?
You seem to think everyone acts on ideology all the time. Have fun with that and keep watching as the world burns in your eyes. I choose to be a realist and thankfully in this case my reality is a lot more beautiful than yours, which allows me to be an optimist more often too.
You seem to think everyone acts on ideology all the time. Have fun with that and keep watching as the world burns in your eyes. I choose to be a realist and thankfully in this case my reality is a lot more beautiful than yours, which allows me to be an optimist more often too.
I think nothing of the kind. But politicians act on ideology all the time. And to a particular strain of them, leftwingers, politics is all that exists - their whole life is devoted to using the powers of government to control other people's lives, nearly every aspect of their lives. That being the case, even people who have contempt for politics must follow it, if for no other reason than self defense. And to think one can be a "realist" and ignore the political is simply insane.
Patrick, et al,
Nowhere did I say, "raise taxes."
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It is a reallocation of the current tax revenue.
I also advocate reducing the size of government; and the elimination of some government agencies that no longer fulfill a need.
So, your observation that " raising taxes, creating more debt, printing money, assuming broad new powers in the government, and creating ever more business killing regulation" just doesn't wash as valid in terms of my suggestion. My suggestion overcomes and addresses each of your concern. It does not increase taxes, and it does go above the current rate of expenditure.
Most Respectfully.
R
Nowhere did I say, "raise taxes."
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It is a reallocation of the current tax revenue.
I also advocate reducing the size of government; and the elimination of some government agencies that no longer fulfill a need.
So, your observation that " raising taxes, creating more debt, printing money, assuming broad new powers in the government, and creating ever more business killing regulation" just doesn't wash as valid in terms of my suggestion. My suggestion overcomes and addresses each of your concern. It does not increase taxes, and it does go above the current rate of expenditure.
Most Respectfully.
R
Do politicians really act on ideology all the time? You are the one that says it yourself that there are so many "RINOs" - if they acted on ideology alone they would do what they said they would do. But they don't. Because like everyone else they are driven by incentives- for politicians that is usually anything that helps them get reelected.
And I am not saying politics is not important, but that there are often better mediums for objective analysis of these matters. And for things like unemployment and illegal immigration economics is one of them. The studies revolve around current policy and look to see how it affects things, so it is not like the politics is overlooked.
Uh, nooooooooo - RINOs are LIBERALS - that's their ideology.
Of course likewise I'm not saying economics is unimportant, but it must be seen in the right context: if employers like farmers and meatpackers can get an economic advantage from evading uninforced laws, they will. So will almost everyone. Don't enforce SEC rules, trading houses will cash in on insider trading.
And I am not saying we should not enforce any of those rules. I am just saying in the case of illegal immigration, when the system fails to enforce the rules, it is a positive. Of course no politician should or will admit to that for the obvious reason that they are supposed to stand by the law. It might seem paradoxical, but it is far from the only case. Another one is when there are deadlocked Congresses, they tend to spend less and meddle less and arguably it benefits the economy. In other words, sometimes the "fixing" actually hurts.
My response is of course that you imagine that the economy is benefited by ignoring the indirect costs. The employers make profits and the people who buy products of illegal labor get lower prices, but everyone pays more for the indirect costs which are diffuse and not obvious because they are socialized.
It really amazes me that you seem to think that the people doing this research don't think of the indirect costs and that only you are capable of doing that. Most of the studies look at effects on tax revenue, health costs, etc. A cost-benefit analysis consists of costs AND benefits, not just benefits
Do you have a study or something that supports that a major indirect cost is overlooked?I think part of your misunderstanding is from not realizing that illegal immigrants still pay sales taxes, many still pay income taxes (suggested by the big increase in IRS tax filings after they allowed filing without social security numbers), etc. They also don't get free healthcare, with the exception being the worst of emergencies because no hospital in the US is fine with watching a person bleed to death in their ER. Even then, they are still billed and I am sure those that can afford it do end up paying (or possibly get into legal troubles that I'd imagine end up with them being deported- although that is speculation on my part).
How can I evaluate these mysterious "studies" of yours when you won't post them?
You are simply uninformed - in the southwest, LOTS of the payments to day laborers is in cash, which of course is never reported or traceable. Back when houses were still being built before the leftwingers crashed the economy, you could go by construction sites and see illegals being paid in >>CASH<< at the end of a work day.
This is the point in your uninformed monolog where EVERYONE who lives in the southwest starts laughing at you - illegals get ALL KINDS OF EVERY DAY medical care in ERs - with a favorite being routine prenatal checkups for their anchor babies. On this subject, you simply don't know what you're talking about.
Your anecdotes mean nothing against the numbers- they are nothing more than sob stories for your position. Also, you can pay income tax on cash payments and many of them do- obviously they aren't paid in check- everyone knows most of the income is in cash. Again, look at the IRS reports- it is self-reported cash income which they pay tax on.
And I have given you studies, here is one again:
http://irps.ucsd.edu/assets/022/8797.pdf
Where is even one study or piece of evidence from you other than your sob stories?
And I have given you studies, here is one again:
http://irps.ucsd.edu/assets/022/8797.pdf
Where is even one study or piece of evidence from you other than your sob stories?
BLAHHHHHHHH HA HA HEE GIGGLE YA HA HA!!!!!!!
STOP! YOU'RE MAKING EVERYONE OUT HERE DIE FROM LAUGHTER!!!!!!!!!!!University of California, eh?
That's like offering a study by the KKK that says blacks are inferior. LISTEN now - I SAID A CREDIBLE, NEUTRAL SOURCE. The UC system has fought a battle tooth and nail for decades against the people of California to do everything possible to promote the illegal alien invasion.
Try again, Sparky.
You really must have been a horrible physicist (if you were one to begin with). Attacks based on ethos and not the actual data- I am guessing you didn't last long in the field, or maybe your delusions are more recent? Not to mention UCSD is a respectable institution.
But, keep living in your conspiracy world. You are only eating yourself up inside. Have fun as you watch all of us conspire and collude to destroy you (even though we aren't doing either). Have a nice day. If you can.
But, keep living in your conspiracy world. You are only eating yourself up inside. Have fun as you watch all of us conspire and collude to destroy you (even though we aren't doing either). Have a nice day. If you can.