LOL! Socialist Refuses To Endorse Fellow Socialist For 2020

Sanders isn't running so why 'endorse' him and create political baggage. The spin is obvious Alfi and I'll put this alt on ignore alsong with the rest if you keep being so blatantly intellectually dishonest.

Southern Dad said:

Bernie Sanders has a following. If a candidate can get an endorsement from him, many think it helps.


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An endorsement FROM Sanders and and an endorsement OF Sanders sans an actual campaign are 2 very different things.

Southern Dad said:

Sanders still carries a lot of clout and has a following. Many people see people who think like him as the future of this country.

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I'm not denying that and if Sanders was actually running, an endorsement would be logical. In the absence of a Sanders campaign however, such an endorsement can prove problematic.

On the left you have socialists that know Sanders only from his 2016 run. Not fully understanding just how far left America had moved since the turn of the century he ran as a SocDem to avoid scaring away voters. The result is that many low information socialists, unaware of his professional relationship with the former Soviet Union, his advication for a 0% interest loan program to give low income workers the means to buy out their employers or the Vermont tax relief program he helped establish that gives massive tax breaks to companies that are employee-owned and democratically managed, accuse him of falsely labeling himself as a socialist. It takes far more effort to dispel BS than spread it so such an endorsement from a socialist candidate risks alienating socialist voters.

On the right you have many that have 0 interest in actually opposing the various social programs that SocDems and socialists support. The 1st universal healthcare program for example came from the reactionary Prussians and the ACA is a scaled up version of the Heritage Foundation's answer to HillaryCare. Sure folks like Ted Cruz that fantasize about taking healthcare away from seniors exist but most on the right aren't so cartoonishly evil and only object to the price tag. Avoid discussing economics, don't call yourself a socialist unless directly asked and offer a palatable solution to funding and a socialist can win over rightist votes. Sanders himself has employed this strategy to great effect in Vermont, focusing on gun rights and supporting farmers to win libertarian votes. Endorsing the most high profile American socialist of the last 40 years throws that out the window.

Unless Sanders is actually on the ballot (and even then, only if on the same ballot) the risk:reward calculus comes down against an enforcement. Ocasio-Cortez receiving an endorsement from Sanders is a different topic.

Southern Dad said:

Sanders has always ran as a Democrat in the primary, then as an Independent in general election. Just as he has always caucused with the Democrats. He was also a part of why Hillary R Clinton lost the election. His following wasn’t/isn’t traditional Democrats.

Barack H Obama is no longer running for anything but he still carries a lot of clout with many voters. His endorsement could carry a lot of weight without him being on the ballot.


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You seem confused. We're talking about an endorsement OF Sanders FROM Ocasio-Cortez. FROM would be a great win for her, OF would create unnecessary baggage.

RedThunderbird57 said:

LOL! They BOTH have massive baggage!!!

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Ocasio-Cortez only has baggage with anyone that's fundamentally opposed to socialism. Anyone on the right willing to compromise with a non-radical leftist will be turned off by her firmly aligning herself with a socialist and low information socialists will discredit her for embracing a 'lying SocDem'. Simply not endorsing Sanders (causing no harm as he isn't running for office) sidesteps both those issues.

Alfi trying to turn not making a damaging endorsement of someone not looking for an endorsement into some sort of political statement is just plain idiotic.