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The problem then is you, not me. You do this with everyone. I have no similar issues with anyone else.
And before you say, "when did this happen with others", go look at your response to David here or to MPR in the stem cell thread- you are way off in understanding what they were saying and in response you made some ridiculous post "countering" what you think they said (but in fact did not).
That is a basic starting point, but that is also like saying that everything we do as people is simply chemical reactions in an effort to reproduce before dying. Doesn't exactly explain successfully putting a one-ton robot on Mars or painting the "Mona Lisa", but it remains true.
My thoughts are in line with those who believe there are different degrees/categories of love. For men, especially young men, lust is more common than love.
That is a basic starting point, but that is also like saying that everything we do as people is simply chemical reactions in an effort to reproduce before dying. Doesn't exactly explain successfully putting a one-ton robot on Mars or painting the "Mona Lisa", but it remains true.
My thoughts are in line with those who believe there are different degrees/categories of love. For men, especially young men, lust is more common than love.
Some people say a chemical reaction in the brain is the cause, I say it is the effect. Of course chemical reactions happen in the brain, that is how it functions, but in almost all cases it is a reaction, to stimuli, not the cause of it.
This is where science falls short, it can only measure what is measurable, so in order for science to be correct, all unknown variables must not exist.
This is actually a poor look on science. To study only what can be understood in academic terms is to ignore most of what human experience is.
Evolutionarily, we don't reproduce because we want to survive, but instead we survived because we wanted to do something that led to us reproducing. In other words, those who didn't want to do things that lead to reproduction (in the case of humans that is having sex), did not survive. Our consciousness, everything we "think" and "sense", is the result of a chemical reaction.
The sensation of stimuli is a chemical phenomena as well. Look at sensory neuron mechanisms for more on that.
Science accepts that there might be unknown variables.
At a certain point consciousness becomes a philosophical matter just as anything taken to a certain extent does. This is most likely because we just don't know everything yet. But everything we see humans do is tied to some chemical phenomena in some way.
You argue with me constantly about it.
The experience is really the only thing that matters. Knowing the science offers no understanding what so ever, case and point your previous post in response to mine.
You can have all of the knowledge in the world, without the experience you understand nothing
I am not the one with a closed mind and who constantly rejects what we already know scientifically.
What do you think those experiences are? They are neural activity. In fact, you can sever neurons and lose experience or sever certain parts of the brain and lose memory, etc. This is a hot area right now (neurophys) and there is already a decent body of work behind it.
No he didn't, that is absurd.
He said removing parts of my brain would make me brain damaged, how on earth is that remotely linked to the idea that knowledge is not understanding.
Absolutly absurd, you really need to try harder.
See, the worst part of all this is that you don't realize how wrong you are and you refuse to admit the possibility that you might be wrong. You reject science, I do not. You think you are always right, I do not. Also go back and read what I said- you can lose the ability to experience by severing/inactivating the right neurons. You can also subsequently bring that back if you were to undo the changes. You were talking about experience THAT is how my bit on experience was related to it
My ideas and modern science seem to be too radical for you. People tend to only be swayed at the margin, but I can't bring my argument all the way down there and then hold your hand all the way back. Believe what you want, but right now, you are wrong on many things- and the experts will tell you that (as will thousands of textbooks, research papers, etc.)
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