Mr. Wilburforce

Jun 2010
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What follows may seem unconventional for a Political Fray, but I believe it is entirely conventional, as well as reasonable.

There are two types of rights. In a democracy the rights of the whole as expressed in fair elections is determinate. In a Constitutional Republic the rights of the minority is protected, i.e., individual rights; of which the right to vote in determining one's government, is operative. It is obvious there can be no individual welfare without a general welfare; and how can there be general welfare is there is no individual effort in establishing one's personal welfare. Welfare is both a function of the government and the individual?there is no way of establishing a responsible government, if all those who vote for it have no idea what responsibility is.
The right of the people to a form of self-government, which works to establishing and promoting the general welfare, in no way conflicts with the idea of individual rights and liberty, which is the basis for a responsible citizenry. One's unlimited ownership of property also in no way guaranties one's acting responsibly towards any other person or the generality of people. In the absence of the Christian religion, which elevates the ?other? person and one's responsibility toward him, there is no way of promoting a general obligation in the individual towards others. As a result liberty is impossible without a belief in God. If one assumes nature can guarantee this, one is mistaken; simply because nature is neither immutable, or particularly fond of people.
It cannot be denied that our founders had a profound belief in a Creator, who was ?OUR? Creator.
Which simply means God was under no obligation to create man. It was an act of His sovereign will. Man according to the Christian Bible and the Jewish Torah, God made, in ?his own? image; therefore each of us as individuals have an image of His sovereignty.
In relation to a government we surrender a portion of this sovereignty in an attempt to secure a general benefit, which as individuals we would be unable to secure. However, this is not a permanent but a conditional surrender. If the government violates the conditions, agreed on in the surrender, then the government annuls the contract; and as a contract has to be entered into through voluntary consent of both parties; one sides lack of faith frees the other from the contracts constraints.
Rights are given neither by nature or men, but from an eternal and infinite God, whose eternal Word is today, yesterday and forever. Otherwise, it is no more permanent than whatever made the promise of a right; either man or nature, because either is malleable and subject to manipulation and change.
If it must be known, I'm not a Libertarian, I'm a Conservative in the spirit of our Constitution.
 
May 2010
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tl;dr

IF you separate your paragraphs or make this easier to read than a huge blob of text you will more than likely get people to read this.
 
Aug 2010
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What follows may seem unconventional for a Political Fray, but I believe it is entirely conventional, as well as reasonable.

There are two types of rights. In a democracy the rights of the whole as expressed in fair elections is determinate. In a Constitutional Republic the rights of the minority is protected, i.e., individual rights; of which the right to vote in determining one's government, is operative. It is obvious there can be no individual welfare without a general welfare; and how can there be general welfare is there is no individual effort in establishing one's personal welfare. Welfare is both a function of the government and the individual?there is no way of establishing a responsible government, if all those who vote for it have no idea what responsibility is.
The right of the people to a form of self-government, which works to establishing and promoting the general welfare, in no way conflicts with the idea of individual rights and liberty, which is the basis for a responsible citizenry. One's unlimited ownership of property also in no way guaranties one's acting responsibly towards any other person or the generality of people. In the absence of the Christian religion, which elevates the ?other? person and one's responsibility toward him, there is no way of promoting a general obligation in the individual towards others. As a result liberty is impossible without a belief in God. If one assumes nature can guarantee this, one is mistaken; simply because nature is neither immutable, or particularly fond of people.
It cannot be denied that our founders had a profound belief in a Creator, who was ?OUR? Creator.
Which simply means God was under no obligation to create man. It was an act of His sovereign will. Man according to the Christian Bible and the Jewish Torah, God made, in ?his own? image; therefore each of us as individuals have an image of His sovereignty.
In relation to a government we surrender a portion of this sovereignty in an attempt to secure a general benefit, which as individuals we would be unable to secure. However, this is not a permanent but a conditional surrender. If the government violates the conditions, agreed on in the surrender, then the government annuls the contract; and as a contract has to be entered into through voluntary consent of both parties; one sides lack of faith frees the other from the contracts constraints.
Rights are given neither by nature or men, but from an eternal and infinite God, whose eternal Word is today, yesterday and forever. Otherwise, it is no more permanent than whatever made the promise of a right; either man or nature, because either is malleable and subject to manipulation and change.
If it must be known, I'm not a Libertarian, I'm a Conservative in the spirit of our Constitution.


I think you're addressing the concepts of negative and positive rights.

Negative rights are those in our Bill of Rights etc. They are the inalienable rights of man that we have been endowed with by our creator. Governments do not "grant" these rights. Governments are to protect these inherent rights. They may be infringed upon only after a showing of significant casuse. For example, the right to freely exercise one's religion. Simplified: They illustrate what they government cannot do.

Positive rights on the otherhand allow or create obligations of the government to act. Think of entitlement programs.

These are in opposition to one another. Negative rights elevate liberty. "The makers of our Constitution conferred, as against the Government, the right to be let alone--the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men." Justice Brandeis in Olmstead v United States, 277 U.S. 438, 478 (1928).

Positive rights on the otherhand elevate equality. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!" Carl Marx in 'Critique of the Gotha Program' 1875

Equality of result is not a naturally occuring event. Even Lenin recognized that the peasantry would reject his ideas and that they would need to be imposed by force. And so it is always with efforts to redistribute wealth and establish "equality." Wealth is taken from some and given to others. The goal of equality is lofty and even admirable but the raod to get there is anything but.

There is unrest in the forest,
There is trouble with the trees,
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their please.

The trouble with the maples,
(And they're quite convinced they're right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light.
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made.
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade.

There is trouble in the forest,
And the creatures all have fled,
As the maples scream "Oppression!"
And the oaks just shake their heads

So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights.
"The oaks are just too greedy;
We will make them give us light."
Now there's no more oak oppression,
For they passed a noble law,
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw.


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