I have no problem with the IRS exsisting, the tax code on the other hand needs a bit of reforming.
Abolishing the IRS I believe is foolish, too many people try to evade taxes and cheat the system, we need the IRS to enforce the taxes. Now it could be said that making the tax code a bit more sensible and fair may on its own help cut down tax evasion but it would not eliminate it completely.
Abolishing the IRS I believe is foolish, too many people try to evade taxes and cheat the system, we need the IRS to enforce the taxes. Now it could be said that making the tax code a bit more sensible and fair may on its own help cut down tax evasion but it would not eliminate it completely.
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You think anyone would give their taxes directly to Congress? Do you want them to line their pockets? It'd be quite easy in such a system.
If we had an honorable government, I believe we could trust the honor system. I think it is worth a try. Besides there othe agencies that can do enforcement. We don't need the IRS.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
The Amendment authorizes Congress to tax income. That's not debatable.
Whatever issue you raise that the collection of same is done by the IRS through Treasury it does not go to authority to levy and collect but manner of collection.
Congress may pass a law creating the IRS and putting it under the authority of Treasury to collect the taxes so levied.
Which is the short version of how things got to be the way they are.
I'm sympathetic to your cause. I hate taxes. But notions that income taxes or the IRS are unconstitutional don't hold water. It is long settled law.
grab a copy of the IRC.... its a useful exercise. See how thick it is, how thin the pages are and how small the writing is.
a founding anglo-american legal principle is that the law should not be so arcane that an average person cannot make heads or tails of it. We all know that's not the state of things.
here's the huge problem with your very sane and obvious point.. the code is so full of specificly aimed deductions, etc that every special interest group on the planet will scream and hope of reform will collapse.
there is no reforming it - only replacing
and then over time it'll do exactly what the current code did
If we had an honorable government, I believe we could trust the honor system. I think it is worth a try. Besides there othe agencies that can do enforcement. We don't need the IRS.
we have an honorable government
I'm not certain but I suspect no state has ever had 44 consecutive leaders assume office without bullets or blood...
the problem isn't the government (which admittedly has many flaws that need fixing) but a small number of powerful and corrupt politicians.
"We have an honrable government." I mean no disrespect, but what planet do you live on?
:smoke: - I prefer the pipe
:giggle: I think he mans we don't overthrow our gov'ts in bloody revolutions. We overthrow them at the ballot box. He's confusing honor with civility.
No, 44. 44 times the office has peacefully changed hands even if Cleveland served nonconsecutive terms.
Not sure there's a government on the planet as old as ours.... Denmark maybe?
44 presidencies but only 43 presidents. He said leaders, not terms. :giggle: I know I'm annoying, but I'm bored.
America is the greatest, most giving, caring country in the world. We have done more good in the world than any other country, or government for that matter, get it together didymus, and get you facts strait. Oh and please don't talk about running for any public office if you aren't able to win a debate between a couple guys on the internent and don't think that America, and our history is great. We can do without you, end of story.
Sorry to be rude but this is getting rediculous.
I'm not arguing with your points, as nobody actually can but we're not the total saints you make us out to be. We shaft the UN (in fact we even went so far as to make it a Fed crime to pay the UN what we're required to pay via treaty), we have a history of replacing liberal democracies with fascist dictatorships just because we didn't like the people getting elected, we've ran concentration camps that have killed thousands for most of our history (particularly during war time), we've wiped out entire civilizations for nothing more farmland and mines we could of simply payed them for, etc. So yes everything you said is true but we're also the most blood thirsty civilization in history. Yin and Yang, don't ignore 1 because the other is just as true.
Name a single year we've not been at war with someone. Disprove our annihilation of NA civilization. Disprove the millions of dead (justified or otherwise) at our hand. Good luck with that.
well... not just annoying but a poor critical reader as well.
"He" is me. And "consecutive leaders" does not preclude any one leader from serving more than once. Its a generic noun indicating an office holder not a specific man.
This is a throw away nonsense comment intending to impugn but wholely void of substance. You've said nothing.
State the facts that lead you to conclude that our government lied, was deceitful (who did these things in specific) and slaughtered innocent people in the name of innocent people and how this was disregarded or discounted (how it doesn't figure in).
from Webster:
Definition of SLAUGHTER
1
: the act of killing; specifically : the butchering of livestock for market
2
: killing of great numbers of human beings (as in battle or a massacre)
Well first of all, I do not need to provide anything, I am not one making accusations. The country's history is innocent until PROVEN guilty and you have proven nothing.
Yes we as a country have been in several wars but being in a war alone does not make a country bad. The war with the indians was unfortunate and we helped the NA after all was said and done. Anytime we as a country feel that a country needs help, whether they have been our enemy or not, we help them. Please name one country that has done more for the world than the United States. Who is more caring and generous?
It is rediculous that I must argue with a fellow American that our country is good. Stop listening to wack jobs and get some sense.
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