One cannot teach what one did not experience

connermt · Aug 20, 2010

prasanth5 said:
How can one teach that which one did not experience? One who realizes the supreme truth cannot explain about it and one who did not realize goes about explaining the so called 'truth'.

Truth is in the eye of the beholder when it comes to things beleived. Meaning that no matter what the facts/proof is/are, one can still choose to believe whatever they want. For example: 1+1=2 is a fact - put 1 apple with another apple and they become a group of 2 apples. But, if one wants, they can believe 1+1=56312. Facts/evidence shows this to be untrue, but it doesn't matter to the one who wants to believe what they want to believe. Basically, humanity doesn't need facts when it comes to believing something true or not. How many of us know someone that lies so much that they eventually believe what they are saying? Similar concept.
So in that regard, anyone can teach anyone what they believe to be true (regardless of if it's really true or not, based upon the facts), but it's up to the one being taught if they want to take facts, or opinions/beliefs and make up their own mind.
The counterpoint is that what is factually true, can be taught if it hasn't been experienced if what's being taught doesn't require personal experience. Again though, we are back to believing what is true and what isn't true.
Maybe one reason why people have this problem is the fact that they consciously make "truth" and "belief" to be the same, when they are very different. Maybe this helps them justify their beliefs....?

TortoiseDream · Aug 20, 2010

obtuseobserver said:
so, you cannot teach some one to read?

how did you learn to read?

the experiences of others played no role?

You cannot teach anyone anything, you can only help people to teach themselves. That is how we all learned to read.

obtuseobserver · Aug 20, 2010

lol - you're thining way too hard

we teach them how to read themselves by relating our experiences of to read

TortoiseDream · Aug 20, 2010

obtuseobserver said:
lol - you're thining way too hard

we teach them how to read themselves by relating our experiences of to read

But you cannot recreate those experiences for them. Only they can.

obtuseobserver · Aug 20, 2010

TortoiseDream said:
But you cannot recreate those experiences for them. Only they can.

But that wasn't your question

you experienced how to read and you taught another to read

sure, they cannot be you and have a perfectly empathetic and sysnonymous experienmce but that's just a bunch of intellectual masturbation

TortoiseDream · Aug 20, 2010

obtuseobserver said:
But that wasn't your question

you experienced how to read and you taught another to read

sure, they cannot be you and have a perfectly empathetic and sysnonymous experienmce but that's just a bunch of intellectual masturbation

One, I never asked any questions, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there.

Two, saying my response is just "intellectual masturbation" is not a counterpoint, but that's for reading it.

obtuseobserver · Aug 20, 2010

TortoiseDream said:
One, I never asked any questions, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there.

True. You made a statement and with a little bit of effort I bet you could have figure out what I was referring to

TortoiseDream said:
Two, saying my response is just "intellectual masturbation" is not a counterpoint, but that's for reading it.

What do you hope to accomplish with your statement?

we disagree (gasp) but more than that, accepting it as read... so what?

ftr - I'm particulary fond of that phrase - wasn't intended s a counterpoint - was intended as a description

george · Aug 13, 2011

Aristotle: virtue is practice.
socrates: virtue is knowledge..

and i think teaching is beyond that.

netanyahoo · Oct 30, 2011

Whose holocaust ...

Arlie said:
I think experience aids in teaching, but many people teach about things in the past which they could not have experienced. Like the holocaust. People can explain how horrible it was and those listening can use their empathy to "experience" a teensy tiny bit of it.

Holocaust of Japanese by 2 A-bombs or native Americans by criminals/outlaws banished from Europe to Americas?

DodgeFB · Oct 30, 2011

netanyahoo said:
Holocaust of Japanese by 2 A-bombs or native Americans by criminals/outlaws banished from Europe to Americas?

Yeah all that and more was taught back when I went to school. Maybe they stopped teaching that since the younger generations are just naturally smarter. That is if you listen to some them talk down to older people now.

David · Oct 30, 2011

DodgeFB said:
Yeah all that and more was taught back when I went to school. Maybe they stopped teaching that since the younger generations are just naturally smarter. That is if you listen to some them talk down to older people now.

No hey sill each i bu your taking to a "Whites can do no right" loser.

DodgeFB · Oct 30, 2011

David said:
No hey sill each i bu your taking to a "Whites can do no right" loser.

What does that mean?

David · Oct 30, 2011

DodgeFB said:
What does that mean?

Sorry, my keyboard...

No they still teach it but your taking to a "Whites can do no right" loser.

DodgeFB · Oct 30, 2011

David said:
Sorry, my keyboard...

No they still teach it but your taking to a "Whites can do no right" loser.

That is just your opinion.

David · Oct 30, 2011

DodgeFB said:
That is just your opinion.

It's my opinion that they sill teach about the A-Bombs and Indian Removal Act? No, that's fact. It's also fact that this guy is in denial.

DodgeFB · Oct 30, 2011

David said:
It's my opinion that they sill teach about the A-Bombs and Indian Removal Act? No, that's fact. It's also fact that this guy is in denial.

I think he knows better. He just has a hating problem.

David · Oct 30, 2011

DodgeFB said:
I think he knows better. He just has a hating problem.

That's kind of what I said.

DodgeFB · Oct 30, 2011

David said:
That's kind of what I said.

You know it seems like there is more and more of that here. I should spend less time on line and more time shaving my head or something.:unsure:

dojo · Feb 2, 2012

As long as you have GOOD knowledge, you can teach. Take me for an example: started orthodontics treatment and started helping others with some advise. NO, I'm not taking my orthodontist's place, but, if people wanted to know about various braces types and what to expect in their treatment, after reading like a maniac about this and testing the devices myself I could give them some answers and encouragement.

One cannot teach what one did not experience

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