http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/26/palin-tricked-by-comedian_n_371698.html
Would anyone here actually want to see Palin with power?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/26/palin-tricked-by-comedian_n_371698.html
Would anyone here actually want to see Palin with power?
Lol, I did not hear about that. Although it is funny, I don't think it is really fair to judge Palin on this as every politician cannot be expected to know every person in politics.
Don't get me wrong, I am not currently a Palin supporter and at the moment I would not support her if she ran for President. I think she has been treated unfairly by the media at times, but I am still not 100% sure on how good her judgment really is. Also, I am not completely clear on her policies as she hasn't specified particulars- if they are anything like what McCain's were, chances are I would not support her. They would need to be drastically different and ACTUALLY conducive to free markets and peace (not like Mccain who said he was for free markets, but his policies weren't.)
Don't get me wrong, I am not currently a Palin supporter and at the moment I would not support her if she ran for President. I think she has been treated unfairly by the media at times, but I am still not 100% sure on how good her judgment really is. Also, I am not completely clear on her policies as she hasn't specified particulars- if they are anything like what McCain's were, chances are I would not support her. They would need to be drastically different and ACTUALLY conducive to free markets and peace (not like Mccain who said he was for free markets, but his policies weren't.)
Thats the funny thing, look at Gerald Ford, he fell once and was labelled clumsy.
The thing is Palin has done some really silly, ridiculous, not very smart things, ya shes a target but like a rumour she might not be all bad but she does seem incompetent.
Your not referring to the David Letterman thing as part of the medias unfairness? cause I think letterman was treated unfairly there and I dont think of SNL as part of the media, pop culture maybe.
I had to admit when Obama got the peace prize that he wouldnt have been my first choice, I think its pretty clear that Palin doesnt deserve any serious power.
The thing is Palin has done some really silly, ridiculous, not very smart things, ya shes a target but like a rumour she might not be all bad but she does seem incompetent.
Your not referring to the David Letterman thing as part of the medias unfairness? cause I think letterman was treated unfairly there and I dont think of SNL as part of the media, pop culture maybe.
I had to admit when Obama got the peace prize that he wouldnt have been my first choice, I think its pretty clear that Palin doesnt deserve any serious power.
Palin has had her moments, but I am not talking about the SNL or Letterman events in particular. I just think the mainstream media- mostly news stations that claim to be serious and unbiased (although in reality non are unbiased) seems to pick on her at times. She's not the first one its happened to, but it does happen. Then there are those who tend to get the opposite treatment- President Obama comes to mind there. It is the new stations' 1st amendment rights to say what they want, but I just think the general public should remember to take everything with a grain of salt because of it.
Its a shame so much of u.s. news has been amalgamated and consolidated into the hands of very few who seem intent to either spread conservative ideology (fox) or infotainment (cnn, etc).
If the media was probing in the u.s. we would be talking about the security and prosperity proposal more and I dont think the u.s. would have voted in bush twice, overall I think the u.s. would be much more left leaning if people werent constantly fed lies and conservative propaganda.
The net is a great tool though, probably the best made by man since fire, the fact that people can get information from all over the world totally bypasses the local propaganda.
An easy example is the u.s. perspection of Canadian healthcare, I have seem more flat out lies told about Canadian healthcare coming from american news then I care to count, its a clear sign that people are being lied to and without a place like the net there would be no way (or very hard) for someone to find the truth.
If the media was probing in the u.s. we would be talking about the security and prosperity proposal more and I dont think the u.s. would have voted in bush twice, overall I think the u.s. would be much more left leaning if people werent constantly fed lies and conservative propaganda.
The net is a great tool though, probably the best made by man since fire, the fact that people can get information from all over the world totally bypasses the local propaganda.
An easy example is the u.s. perspection of Canadian healthcare, I have seem more flat out lies told about Canadian healthcare coming from american news then I care to count, its a clear sign that people are being lied to and without a place like the net there would be no way (or very hard) for someone to find the truth.
I think you are mistaken on the media bias in the United States. While we do have some conservative outlets, namely Fox, most of the mainstream stations tend to lean left or center-left, with MSNBC being just as much left as Fox is right in my opinion.
I do agree with you in that the Internet is really a great invention in that the mainstream media is now beginning to have a lot more competition and a lot more people questioning them in front of the masses.
As for the misinformation on Canadian healthcare, we need to remember that there are false statements on both sides of the debate- from the pro-universal/socialized healthcare people and from those against it. The important part here is in double checking the "facts" that people give us.
I do agree with you in that the Internet is really a great invention in that the mainstream media is now beginning to have a lot more competition and a lot more people questioning them in front of the masses.
As for the misinformation on Canadian healthcare, we need to remember that there are false statements on both sides of the debate- from the pro-universal/socialized healthcare people and from those against it. The important part here is in double checking the "facts" that people give us.
I dont see any left leaning news in the u.s. (granted some are more left then others, fox being the extreme right) and the country is overall conservative.
Checking the facts is crucial but I have seen too many conservative groups, designed to spread misinformation, lie about Canadian and single payer health care, its obvious the people making billions off the suffering of americans dont want competition and have no leg to stand on in real counter arguments, so they say Canadians cant pick their doctor or they say you wait years for care, its all lies and if I wasent Canadian or a good researcher how can I expect any american to know the truth? If the news lies to you then the people believe the lie.
After living in the states I am outraged at the lies I saw, (I have lived in Manhattan and San Antonio before and my mother is from Michigan).
Checking the facts is crucial but I have seen too many conservative groups, designed to spread misinformation, lie about Canadian and single payer health care, its obvious the people making billions off the suffering of americans dont want competition and have no leg to stand on in real counter arguments, so they say Canadians cant pick their doctor or they say you wait years for care, its all lies and if I wasent Canadian or a good researcher how can I expect any american to know the truth? If the news lies to you then the people believe the lie.
After living in the states I am outraged at the lies I saw, (I have lived in Manhattan and San Antonio before and my mother is from Michigan).
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Lol, ever watch any mainstream news channel other than FOX? The media's overcoverage of everything Obama is proof enough in my opinion. As for the country being conservative, I think that most people are, but they don't all realize it. I think that many "liberals" are actually conservatives who just don't realize it. Those who follow the Constitution would be labeled conservative by the traditional definition anyway and that is supposed to be the cornerstone of this nation. Sadly, many seem to have forgotten that great document.
I think one clear distinction that should be made in this discussion though is what conservative actually means. When I say conservative, I mean small government, free markets, etc. Bush did not fit this definition in that during his time in office, the government grew in size and many of his actions were not conducive to free market capitalism at all. A lot of what he did was actually statist, which is more in line with what today's liberal wants anyway.
Where on the news have you seen that? If anything it is 3rd party speakers on the news, but there is just as much free market bashing from the left wing "analysts." Again, misinformation is on both sides. I have seen just as much falsities about how free markets can't provide affordable healthcare and people saying the current market is proof, when in reality it is one of the most regulated markets in the United States and is far from a free market.
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ABC, CBS and NBC(NBC crazy left) are all left. And I don't think it is any other country's business what kind of health care a country has. I could not care less what kind of health care Canada or France have. And it is none of their business if the US has any health care at all.
The little bit I've seen about the Canadian Healthcare System in the US media has always been positive along the lines of "Why can't we have a good system like that". So I don't really see what the problem really is. I agree with MYP about the US media being mostly centre left with FOX of course an exception, but that is almost like a leftist version of being right centre. In general I find that the focus in the reporting of Health Care is mostly domestic in the United States, and any reference to systems outside the country is usually for the benefit of illustrating a point in favour or against Obama's legislation.
Palin has made so many mistakes, including resigning the Governorship of Alaska, I also can't see why people take her as seriously as they do and why she is getting so much attention from the media. If she did make her comments in Canada that was not very diplomatic either. Although I suspect, in Palin's defence, maybe it had been a leading question that had been put to her so that the questioner could get the answer from Palin that the questioner had been hoping for.
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Whats the point of talking politics if we dont talk about whats going on in the world?!
My healthcare system is as much up for debate as anyone elses, what are we here to talk about?
What happens to all of us matters and I think its always important to know what works and what isent working, if thats in china, so be it, if thats in australia, so be it, if thats in europe, so be it ...
If we as a species want to make the best choices then we need all the information.
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You should see the media outside the u.s., you guys would think its all communist *LOL*
This hour has 22 minutes is a political comedy show, not a real news source, they were goading her and she took the bait, they have a history of doing that, check out youtube.
Its still very troubling that Palin is who she is, she seems slightly dimmer then bush and he was the stupidest politician I have ever witnessed.
Actually, I don't think DeanHills is from the states (and I know Dirk isn't either)- I am pretty sure they both live in Europe.
Now you have me wondering where deanhills is from, england or somewhere in the UK?
Im putting my neck out there because thats the only place I can think of near europe that would think the u.s. media is anything but right wing.
Im putting my neck out there because thats the only place I can think of near europe that would think the u.s. media is anything but right wing.
We'll have to wait for him for the definite answer, but I don't think it is England.
Maybe it is just some Canadians or you that thinks our news channels are too right wing
(or maybe you haven't watched enough of those news channels?)
We'll have to wait for him for the definite answer, but I don't think it is England.
Maybe it is just some Canadians or you that thinks our news channels are too right wing
I grew up 5 minutes to the u.s. border, 90% of my channels were american.
Even now in Vancouver I pickup half a dozen or so washington stations.
Well european politics dont work like u.s. politics, I wasn't kidding or guessing, the politics there are not at all as right wing as u.s. politics, for better or worse.
Deanhills - so where are you from?
Nah.
They are Liberal, not left.
They are just funded by different areas of concentrated capital.
You mght not care, but the majority of Americans support a single-payer system. They call it Canadian-style, but there are actually much better variations. A Harris poll showed that the vast majority of Americans support a "Canadian-style" system. A study in Canada showed that 5% of Canadians would prefer the American system to their current one.
So it is worth comparing.
I actually quoted Jefferson and Dewey to an American friend of mine. She was convinced i was reading her exerpts from Das Kapital.
I'm German but i live in the Scottsh Highlands.
“Given the existence as uttered forth in the public works of Puncher and Wattmann of a personal God quaquaquaqua with white beard quaquaquaqua outside time without extension who from the heights of divine apathia divine athambia divine aphasia loves us dearly with some exceptions for reasons unknown but time will tell and suffers like the divine Miranda with those who for reasons unknown but time will tell are plunged in torment plunged in fire whose fire flames if that continues and who can doubt it will fire the firmament that is to say blast heaven to hell so blue still and calm so calm with a calm which even though intermittent is better than nothing but not so fast and considering what is more that as a result of the labours left unfinished crowned by the Acacacacademy of Anthropopopometry of Essy-in-Possy of Testew and Cunard it is established beyond all doubt all other doubt than that which clings to the labours of men that as a result of the labours unfinished of Testew and Cunard it is established as hereinafter but not so fast for reasons unknown that as a result of the public works of Puncher and Wattmann it is established beyond all doubt that in view of the labours of Fartov and Belcher left unfinished for reasons unknown of Testew and Cunard left unfinished it is established what many deny that man in Possy of Testew and Cunard that man in Essy that man in short that man in brief in spite of the strides of alimentation and defecation is seen to waste and pine waste and pine and concurrently simultaneously what is more for reasons unknown in spite of the strides of physical culture the practice of sports such as tennis football running cycling swimming flying floating riding gliding conating camogie skating tennis of all kinds dying flying sports of all sorts autumn summer winter winter tennis of all kinds hockey of all sorts penicilline and succedanea in a word I resume and concurrently simultaneously for reasons unknown to shrink and dwindle in spite of the tennis I resume flying gliding golf over nine and eighteen holes tennis of all sorts in a word for reasons unknown in Feckham Peckham Fulham Clapham namely concurrently simultaneously what is more for reasons unknown but time will tell to shrink and dwindle I resume Fulham Clapham in a word the dead loss per head since the death of Bishop Berkeley being to the tune of one inch four ounce per head approximately by and large more or less to the nearest decimal good measure round figures stark naked in the stockinged feet in Connemara in a word for reasons unknown no matter what matter the facts are there and considering what is more much more grave that in the light of the labours lost of Steinweg and Peterman it appears what is more much more grave that in the light the light the light of the labours lost of Steinweg and Peterman that in the plains in the mountains by the seas by the rivers running water running fire the air is the same and than the earth namely the air and then the earth in the great cold the great dark the air and the earth abode of stones in the great cold alas alas in the year of their Lord six hundred and something the air the earth the sea the earth abode of stones in the great deeps the great cold on sea on land and in the air I resume for reasons unknown in spite of the tennis the facts are there but time will tell I resume alas alas on on in short in fine on on abode of stones who can doubt it I resume but not so fast I resume the skull to shrink and waste and concurrently simultaneously what is more for reasons unknown in spite of the tennis on on the beard the flames the tears the stones so blue so calm alas alas on on the skull the skull the skull the skull in Connemara in spite of the tennis the labours abandoned left unfinished graver still abode of stones in a word I resume alas alas abandoned unfinished the skull the skull in Connemara in spite of the tennis the skull alas the stones Cunard (mêlée, final vociferations) tennis… the stones… so calm… Cunard… unfinished…”
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