Piers Morgan Deports? for what you may be offended

myp · Jan 1, 2013

The statistics already show that such bans or regulation can work. Anecdote is just anecdote, nothing more.

Who exactly do you think these kids are doing these crimes? They aren't trained military personnel or something- for them killing with a knife is tremendously harder than killing with a gun. But you seem to think it is the same thing- so where do you draw the boundary? Why don't we legalize the ownership of military-grade bombs and grenades if weapons can't make it easier? Or at that margin do you agree with me that certain weapons do make it easier?

chris7375 · Jan 1, 2013

Cerise said:
People will always find a way to get what they want be it firearms, bombs or the like. The point is that you can make it as difficult as possible and lay in place consequences if they act illegally.
You mention that anything that can be used as a weapon should be banned. I see your point of trying to illustrate that people can use any implement thats to hand but its not a sound argument to name things that were not DESIGNED to kill with in the first place. Cars have been mentioned..yes ofcourse you can mow someone down in one but they were not meant for that, likewise bats, golf clubs,vases, bricks and so on. Guns are weapons whose sole purpose is to kill with. Thats why they should be banned.
Its illegal here to carry a knife in the street...same for you?

The problem is you have to catch them illegally buying the guns. That is easier said then done. In Philadelphia I can buy a gun without any paperwork or serial numbers without a problem. Would the authorities be any wiser no.

What you then do is create a whole new group of criminals. The knife has to meet a certain measurement no bigger then the palm of your hand. Though again a knife is easily concealed much easier then a gun. The knife I carry is a tad bigger then the palm of my hand but I have pulled it out after being pulled over and the cop did not even bother me about it.

I have walked in to my kids school with it on me in Palm Beach after my daughter was threatened by another 11 year old that he would rape her. The school officer was at the meeting none the wiser. I pulled it out put it on the table to show him and the principal their lack of security and why I wanted my daughter transferred to another school. The officer damn near shit a brick and threaten to arrest me. I told him go ahead but it was not my fault he allowed me into this school with the weapon. My point to him was he could not protect my daughter from the boy because Palm Beach does not post an officer at every school. So again a knife could have done just as much damage at that school as a gun did.

myp · Jan 1, 2013

chris7375 said:
The problem is you have to catch them illegally buying the guns. That is easier said then done. In Philadelphia I can buy a gun without any paperwork or serial numbers without a problem. Would the authorities be any wiser no.

What you then do is create a whole new group of criminals.

Now this I can see as a valid point and one reason why the US differs from the UK. But perhaps place the regulation or taxes on bullets?

chris7375 · Jan 1, 2013

myp said:
Now this I can see as a valid point and one reason why the US differs from the UK. But perhaps place the regulation or taxes on bullets?

I can agree with certain regulations. Personally I think every one who owns a gun should have to submit to a psychological evaluation. Though honestly no matter what or how you regulate there will always be away around it. There is no perfect system and never will be. Tax bullets it what way. The one way I know of that would come close to being the best way is a sort of tag on the bullet. A marker so to speak they are dabbling with different version of this right now. The marker would lead police back in theory to where the bullet was purchased so on and so forth. Though this will not be a perfect system and will only take a matter of time to bypass it.

Cerise · Jan 2, 2013

chris7375 said:
No the right to bear arms was given to us to defend ourselves from the government if it came to that at some point. That was the premise behind the Right to bear arms. It has developed overtime in to keeping one safe their family safe. As did having a sword or knife in ones house in the middle ages was done for most likely the same reason. Throughout time there have always been the troublemakers and there always will be it is a never ending cycle.

It may never happen Where I live in Royal Palm Beach made the news. The boy who was shot body was at my front door. He was trying to steal my neighbors motorcycle the man went to stop him. One of the three boys pulled out a gun the neighbor was armed and shot the one boy dead in self defense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qD6hOtvsJk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x3UKJK_ga4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlJdLwoY0Co&playnext=1&\list=PLE3CAB5472126D3A7&feature=results_main

This boy was stealing the bike one of them pulled a gun out on the man and he shot him dead and rightfully so. This was right at my front door where my kids are so the what if happens and I want the means to defend my family.

How exactly has it 'developed over time'? has it been rewritten because if not then it surely means now what it meant then.

So 'boys' have guns...:;shakes head::

Cerise · Jan 2, 2013

chris7375 said:
The problem is you have to catch them illegally buying the guns. That is easier said then done. In Philadelphia I can buy a gun without any paperwork or serial numbers without a problem. Would the authorities be any wiser no.

What you then do is create a whole new group of criminals. The knife has to meet a certain measurement no bigger then the palm of your hand. Though again a knife is easily concealed much easier then a gun. The knife I carry is a tad bigger then the palm of my hand but I have pulled it out after being pulled over and the cop did not even bother me about it.

I have walked in to my kids school with it on me in Palm Beach after my daughter was threatened by another 11 year old that he would rape her. The school officer was at the meeting none the wiser. I pulled it out put it on the table to show him and the principal their lack of security and why I wanted my daughter transferred to another school. The officer damn near shit a brick and threaten to arrest me. I told him go ahead but it was not my fault he allowed me into this school with the weapon. My point to him was he could not protect my daughter from the boy because Palm Beach does not post an officer at every school. So again a knife could have done just as much damage at that school as a gun did.

So if you want to get a gun then just go to Philadelphia....right.Do you still think it a waste of time to register all weapons then?

How old will your children be before you allow them access to guns?

chris7375 · Jan 2, 2013

Cerise said:
How exactly has it 'developed over time'? has it been rewritten because if not then it surely means now what it meant then.

So 'boys' have guns...:;shakes head::

The Original intent for the right to bear arms was given to the citizens to bear arms in order to protect them from the government if they became what the Original intent of the written Constitution was. This can be seen in many writings from the original founders from Thomas Paine to Thomas Jefferson.

They feared government would become uncontrollable and if it became that way citizens should be able to protect or defend ourselves from them.

The boy had a gun not legally either yet my neighbor at the time protected himself and shot the one of the boys. Though listen to the boys criminal record and the fact that he was out on the streets is amazing. The third video when the camera zooms in the Grey Car that is in the shot is my car

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Cerise · Jan 2, 2013

chris7375 said:
The Original intent for the right to bear arms was given to the citizens to bear arms in order to protect them from the government if they became what the Original intent of the written Constitution was. This can be seen in many writings from the original founders from Thomas Paine to Thomas Jefferson.

They feared government would become uncontrollable and if it became that way citizens should be able to protect or defend ourselves from them.

The boy had a gun not legally either yet my neighbor at the time protected himself and shot the one of the boys. Though listen to the boys criminal record and the fact that he was out on the streets is amazing. The third video when the camera zooms in the Grey Car that is in the shot is my car .

so the original intent still stands or has it been rewritten at some point? Is it a case of all you gun owners being so wary of the government?

chris7375 · Jan 2, 2013

Cerise said:
so the original intent still stands or has it been rewritten at some point? Is it a case of all you gun owners being so wary of the government?

No it has not been rewritten so yes the original intent is still there. Though over time it has manifested into protecting ones family and own life from those who prey on people.

Cerise · Jan 2, 2013

chris7375 said:
No it has not been rewritten so yes the original intent is still there. Though over time it has manifested into protecting ones family and own life from those who prey on people.

Mmmmm..very open to question then

clax · Jan 2, 2013

The purpose top have guns is for protection.

I have heard a few conspiracy theories that entail a form of door to door confiscating of guns by the united states government using the military. I tend to dispel these theories because there is roughly a gun for every citizen in our country. We as the citizenry are far more equipped than the military. So there would be no match. Just a lot of death and chaos.

This is the muscle to say that are rights are inalienable by the government. It is the proverbial big stick that allows us to walk softly. It is the ultimate check and balance system.

if a law is unjust we simply disobey it. It has occurred multiple times in the united states.

Gun registration is not possible. The only way it could work is if everybody volunteered to register their guns. Most owners simply wouldn't, I wouldn't what benefit is out to me that the government knows I have guns?

chris7375 · Jan 2, 2013

Cerise said:
Mmmmm..very open to question then

No not really if it was created to protect us from the very entity that is trying to outlaw it then is in fact Unconstitutional.

andrew320 · Jan 3, 2013

I completely oppose Piers Morgan's stance on the second amendment and his views on guns. With that being said, the United States has the first amendment and therefore anyone should be allowed to say anything they want. If Morgan wants to make incorrect statements then he should be allowed to at his own merit and no one should try to kick him out for those viewpoints.

I find it ironic that people criticizing him over the constitution are also contradicting the constitution.

tecoyah · Jan 3, 2013

andrew320 said:
I completely oppose Piers Morgan's stance on the second amendment and his views on guns. With that being said, the United States has the first amendment and therefore anyone should be allowed to say anything they want. If Morgan wants to make incorrect statements then he should be allowed to at his own merit and no one should try to kick him out for those viewpoints.

I find it ironic that people criticizing him over the constitution are also contradicting the constitution.

....+1....:smug:

chris7375 · Jan 3, 2013

andrew320 said:
I completely oppose Piers Morgan's stance on the second amendment and his views on guns. With that being said, the United States has the first amendment and therefore anyone should be allowed to say anything they want. If Morgan wants to make incorrect statements then he should be allowed to at his own merit and no one should try to kick him out for those viewpoints.

I find it ironic that people criticizing him over the constitution are also contradicting the constitution.

I really don't care that he is opposed to guns and speaks out upon it. I say good for him go do it is your right.

My problem with him is that he says if America does not ban guns he will leave. What I say to that is good-bye don't let the door hit you in the azz.

Personally I think the person who petitioned the White House for his deportation was dimwitted. The whole move was stupid and seems it was played to gain publicity rather then have any meaning behind it. Well the creator of the petition got his wish his 15 minutes of fame.

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