Question for Christians #2

myp

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You are the one who is arrogant and ignorant, of course evolution happens, but you assume you know the entirity of the universe, where are the eadges have you seen all that is.
The Earth is not the center of the universe. It goes around the sun for one. There is proof of that.
 
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The Earth is not the center of the universe. It goes around the sun for one. There is proof of that.


And based on our solar system yes the earth revolves around the sun, but to say that earth is not at the center you have to know where the cinter is. Or the eadges or how big it is. So are you suggesting that the sun is at the center of the universe.

I don't really believe the earth is the center, I am just using leading questions to get you to my conclusion, that I don't know.
 

myp

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I don't really believe the earth is the center, I am just using leading questions to get you to my conclusion, that I don't know.
If the Earth and the other planets are going around the Sun at different orbits and the sun is not moving relative to the Earth, then the Earth cannot be the center of the universe :p I don't need to know the center to come to that conclusion.

That aside, let me ask you a simple question. There is a man in the United States. He is killed by a gun. The policemen are looking for who the murderer is. Does it make sense to focus the efforts on the state where the man was killed or does it make sense to evenly distribute the resources to search the whole world? Clearly one makes a lot more sense. Statistically it might be almost impossible for a man in a jail cell in Russia to have personally committed the murder. Statistically it is a lot more likely that the local gang leader did it. Statistics matter. All "proof" is not equal, especially when you are comparing things like the Earth not being at the center of the universe vs. the faith that it is the center.
 
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If the Earth and the other planets are going around the Sun at different orbits and the sun is not moving relative to the Earth, then the Earth cannot be the center of the universe :p I don't need to know the center to come to that conclusion.

That aside, let me ask you a simple question. There is a man in the United States. He is killed by a gun. The policemen are looking for who the murderer is. Does it make sense to focus the efforts on the state where the man was killed or does it make sense to evenly distribute the resources to search the whole world? Clearly one makes a lot more sense. Statistically it might be almost impossible for a man in a jail cell in Russia to have personally committed the murder. Statistically it is a lot more likely that the local gang leader did it. Statistics matter. All "proof" is not equal, especially when you are comparing things like the Earth not being at the center of the universe vs. the faith that it is the center.
statistics are only margianally correct, if you ignore 49% than 51% is your chance. Statistical improbabilitys exist, so therefore any conclusion based on them have a margen of error, therefor no facts can be resolved based on it unless facts are flawed, I suggest facts don't really exist, its just your belief that they do.

As an investigator I know that the odds are not what you want to rely on, because people beat the odds all the time
 
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If the Earth and the other planets are going around the Sun at different orbits and the sun is not moving relative to the Earth, then the Earth cannot be the center of the universe :p I don't need to know the center to come to that conclusion.

So because they orbit around something relative to nothing, you come to a conclusion. That is called blind faith
 

myp

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So because they orbit around something relative to nothing, you come to a conclusion. That is called blind faith

Uh no it is not. For one think about what I just said and the implications you are making suggesting that Earth could still be the center. There is a lot of mathematical and scientific proof including observations behind it as well. Statistically it also does not make sense.
 

myp

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As an investigator I know that the odds are not what you want to rely on, because people beat the odds all the time
Lol when the statistics suggest that there is a 99.999999999999% chance that something is right and only a .00000000000000000001% chance something else is right, it is naive to consider the two equally.
 
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Lol when the statistics suggest that there is a 99.999999999999% chance that something is right and only a .00000000000000000001% chance something else is right, it is naive to consider the two equally.
I never said that you give them both equal concideration, don't count the unlikely as impossable, that is foolish.

I know of nothing where such odds exist
 

myp

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I never said that you give them both equal concideration, don't count the unlikely as impossable, that is foolish.
But that is what you are doing when you ask me to prove that the Earth is not at the center, suggesting that it might well be. You also do it when you equally compare conclusions of faith and science.

I know of nothing where such odds exist
Really? :p If you were to randomly pick a number from 1 to 1*10^14, the odds that it is not 6 is equal to the odds I just gave you (99.999999999999%).
 
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But that is what you are doing when you ask me to prove that the Earth is not at the center, suggesting that it might well be. You also do it when you equally compare conclusions of faith and science.


Really? :p If you were to randomly pick a number from 1 to 1*10^14, the odds that it is not 6 is equal to the odds I just gave you (99.999999999999%).

Okay, reiderate, I don't know of anything that exists outside of a mathmatical equation with such odds.

Apply that equation to something tangable in this world with any concequense
 

myp

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Okay, reiderate, I don't know of anything that exists outside of a mathmatical equation with such odds.

Apply that equation to something tangable in this world with any concequense

If I clap my hands together the odds are even greater than what I typed that they will not go through each other.
 
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But that is what you are doing when you ask me to prove that the Earth is not at the center, suggesting that it might well be. You also do it when you equally compare conclusions of faith and scieence

No to prove it it has to be 100% acurate, you ignor the probablity however small that the earth is not the center. I say that I don't know based on the lack of data, or the asumption that we have most of the data.

All you prove with the earth revolving around the sun, is that the earth revolves around the sun
 

myp

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No to prove it it has to be 100% acurate, you ignor the probablity however small that the earth is not the center. I say that I don't know based on the lack of data, or the asumption that we have most of the data.

All you prove with the earth revolving around the sun, is that the earth revolves around the sun

And yet, with the tremendously small possibilities of being wrong here and there, man has progressed so much, technology has grown so much, and our understanding of the universe has increased so much. It has benefited all of us, even if we are wrong sometimes. To just focus on the small chance that we are wrong and to waste time dwelling on that would have put humanity into stagnation before it even existed. You can keep focusing on the negatives and pretending that statistics don't matter, I'll live my life optimistically and with great curiosity :) (while always being prepared to be possibly wrong)
 
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And yet, with the tremendously small possibilities of being wrong here and there, man has progressed so much, technology has grown so much, and our understanding of the universe has increased so much. It has benefited all of us, even if we are wrong sometimes. To just focus on the small chance that we are wrong and to waste time dwelling on that would have put humanity into stagnation before it even existed. You can keep focusing on the negatives and pretending that statistics don't matter, I'll live my life optimistically and with great curiosity :) (while always being prepared to be possibly wrong)

You are correct, man has progressed because we do learn, and not dwell on the concept that the statistical imprabability is still a possability, only in certain places do we show disregard to statistical improbability, and I think that is for the best.

I live life optimistically, I know through faith in God my life has perpose and reason, if you can do that without God, more power to you, I never said you couldn't. You asked me a question and I answered.
 
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