Stem cell research.

clax · Oct 26, 2012

David said:
Far fetched? People can clone their dead pets, it's gone mainstream. :giggle:

This pet that you clone is it an exact copy or a genetic copy, is it the exact age it was when you lost it or is it a baby?

Is your definition of a clone a genetic replica or a second version of an individual. A person is more than their DNA so yes a clone being a second you is impossible. A genetic copy well that was a huge waste of science to make a twin that is an infant.

David · Oct 27, 2012

clax said:
This pet that you clone is it an exact copy or a genetic copy, is it the exact age it was when you lost it or is it a baby?

Is your definition of a clone a genetic replica or a second version of an individual. A person is more than their DNA so yes a clone being a second you is impossible. A genetic copy well that was a huge waste of science to make a twin that is an infant.

You might want to look up e definition of clone. It's a genetic copy by definition.

David · Oct 27, 2012

clax said:
How many human clones have they made? How much dies a clone pet cost?

Human cloning (not counting organs and tissue) is illegale.

clax · Oct 27, 2012

David said:
You might want to look up e definition of clone. It's a genetic copy by definition.

Well then, I don't get the issue. I can have a baby the natural way, our have a clone. Unless there us a way to age a person 42 years and stop I don't see an issue. The clone would not be me because it wouldn't have my experience. So what is the point.

I can look up words in the dictionary, no need to be condescending, some people think of sci fi clones but it sounds like you are just referring to asexual reproduction. that all seems like a waste of resources. All the trouble to reproduce this way seems silly.

David · Oct 27, 2012

clax said:
Well then, I don't get the issue. I can have a baby the natural way, our have a clone. Unless there us a way to age a person 42 years and stop I don't see an issue. The clone would not be me because it wouldn't have my experience. So what is the point.

I can look up words in the dictionary, no need to be condescending, some people think of sci fi clones but it sounds like you are just referring to asexual reproduction. that all seems like a waste of resources. All the trouble to reproduce this way seems silly.

I agree that the ban on human cloning is stupid (seeing as cloning in general is legal). It comes down to the 'playing god' argument. Once someone legalizes it (I'd say China or Japan will break the ice) everyone else with the knowledge and infrastructure to do it will follow suit.

clax · Oct 27, 2012

David said:
I agree that the ban on human cloning is stupid (seeing as cloning in general is legal). It comes down to the 'playing god' argument. Once someone legalizes it (I'd say China or Japan will break the ice) everyone else with the knowledge and infrastructure to do it will follow suit.

My thoughts on it is why bother with it all when we can procreate the biological way and keep a diverse gene pool.

What value is a clone?

David · Oct 27, 2012

clax said:
My thoughts on it is why bother with it all when we can procreate the biological way and keep a diverse gene pool.

What value is a clone?

A whole person? Could be an option for paraplegics and the like, make a clone (engineered not to develop anything more then a brain stem) and do a brain transplant. But when people say human cloning (legitimately, not in the fearmongering sense) they mean organs and tissue.

clax · Oct 27, 2012

David said:
A whole person? Could be an option for paraplegics and the like, make a clone (engineered not to develop anything more then a brain stem) and do a brain transplant. But when people say human cloning (legitimately, not in the fearmongering sense) they mean organs and tissue.

Cloning organs and tissue is cloning organs and tissue. that makes perfect sense.

Why not instead of calling it human cloning being that that generates fear based ideas, just call it human tissue fabrication. Why the the use of such polarizing language

David · Oct 27, 2012

clax said:
Cloning organs and tissue is cloning organs and tissue. that makes perfect sense.

Why not instead of calling it human cloning being that that generates fear based ideas, just call it human tissue fabrication. Why the the use of such polarizing language

A Human heart is a human heart, not a pigs, dog's, horse's. etc. If I said heart cloning,what kind of heart would I be talking about? Human cloning isn't polarizing, some people are just idiots and think human clone = a fully developed and memory/personality copy of someone just poofing into existence. Not my fault these a serious lack of basic scientific understanding.

clax · Oct 27, 2012

David said:
A Human heart is a human heart, not a pigs, dog's, horse's. etc. If I said heart cloning,what kind of heart would I be talking about? Human cloning isn't polarizing, some people are just idiots and think human clone = a fully developed and memory/personality copy of someone just poofing into existence. Not my fault these a serious lack of basic scientific understanding.

People being idiots is what we must deal with, to advance the science to the point where it can be part of medicine.

I didn't say heart cloning , I said human tissue fabrication. Is that not what cloning tissue is?

Calling people idiots is no way to get them to agree, being that this is a nation that contains "idiots" some of which have power and sway perhaps insured of insulting them you should explain. people don't know what they don't know, that doesn't make them idiots.

Why so hateful?

clax · Oct 27, 2012

cloning also means copying a person, why not be more precise in your language

tecoyah · Oct 28, 2012

Right now this is referred to as "tissue engineering", and is already happening. The Cloning of human cells (culturing) is not entirely new. For the most part, those that misunderstand the science fear some strange replication of a whole human...scientists in the field will happily explain the concept is impossible.

"So far, only a few organs have been made and transplanted, and they are relatively simple, hollow ones — like bladders and Mr. Beyene’s windpipe, which was implanted in June 2011. But scientists around the world are using similar techniques with the goal of building more complex organs. At Wake Forest University in North Carolina, for example, where the bladders were developed, researchers are working on kidneys, livers and more. Labs in China and the Netherlands are among many working on blood vessels."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/16/h...n-tailor-made-organs.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Dirk · Nov 6, 2012

David said:
People are cloned for spare parts and 2 of the clones get wise and start to fight the system.

If it's the one I think it is, I have to exclaim how poorly done, unconvincing and utterly unmemorable it was.

David · Nov 6, 2012

Dirk said:
If it's the one I think it is, I have to exclaim how poorly done, unconvincing and utterly unmemorable it was.

With the flying motorcycles and bad acting? Ya. lol

Stem cell research.

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