Thousands of Russians demand end to Putin era

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The Soviet Union? Efficient? Bwaaaahhhhhaaaaaaaaa! You DO realise it is because of their own inefficiencies is why they collapsed, yes? It is not through efficiency they were doing better than the USA in the arms race. It is because they were SPENDING MORE MONEY than the USA. They were spending more than all of NATO combined. That, and the inherent inefficiencies of the Soviet bureaucracy is why the Soviet Union collapsed.

I do find the arrogance of you Americans amusing, especially when you claim the Soviet Union was in an arms race with the USA, which they were not. They were in an arms race with all of NATO, and in effect, the entire WORLD. The very reason for the existence of the Soviet Union was world communism, no matter the cost. The Soviets had long passed the USA when it came to arms, therefore there was no race with you.
And yet you are the most arrogant of all!:D But then your arrogance just makes you look silly.
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Feb 2011
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That's what I said, idiot.

You said 'with the USA', I was talking about all of NATO. The USA is NATO? The Soviets had the USA beaten badly when it came to the spending game. But, they had to outspend all of NATO combined, which they did. Moron. Learn to read.
 
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You said 'with the USA', I was talking about all of NATO. The USA is NATO? The Soviets had the USA beaten badly when it came to the spending game. But, they had to outspend all of NATO combined, which they did. Moron. Learn to read.

It is. Without the US NATO would be a strictly defensive alliance that would lose an all out war to Turkey (happily the Turks are NATO themselves so this is simply an illustration of my pint rather then a prediction). Ditto the UN.
 
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It is. Without the US NATO would be a strictly defensive alliance that would lose an all out war to Turkey (happily the Turks are NATO themselves so this is simply an illustration of my pint rather then a prediction). Ditto the UN.

You truly do underestimate the strength of NATO. You believe that Turkey could destroy NATO? *ROTFLMAO* Where are you getting this propaganda? Britain alone could destroy Turkey. I would suggest you learn to read up on NATO. I know everything about the Soviets, and I know for a fact they were never afraid of the USA alone. They were barely afraid of NATO, if only due to excessive losses they would suffer due to nukes. In a conventional war, the Soviets would have destroyed NATO, even if they suffered massive losses. NATO WAS a strictly defensive alliance. They were not strong enough to take on the Warsaw Pact nations.

I have read everything on Soviets by Soviets who defected to the West. The Soviets were only concerned with NATO's collection of nukes. It is the ONLY REASON they did not sweep through Europe, which they had planned to do for so long. The Soviets were constantly puzzled by American military expenditures. They could not understand why the USA would spend such incredible amounts of money for so little hardware. It is why EVERY SINGLE TANK ever built by the Soviets remained in service, right down to old T-54s. They believed in numbers, a system proven again and again. It is what won them WWII. You Americans threw away hardware that was not that old, replacing them with new, highly-sophisticated hardware. A defecting Soviet general once asked the CIA 'why do you build such beautiful tanks which were barely our match, stuffed with such expensive advanced technology? How is that advanced tank going to fare against say 20 T-54s we leave in storage, costing us nothing?'
 
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Dec 2011
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Dimitry Medvedev has already endorsed Putin for presidency. In 2012, Putin will most likely assume power once again. Medvedev could very well become Prime Minister.

Medvedev has made tremendous progress in Russia, especially with honest business growth and making her more modern and technologically advanced. He has also pushed for them to be less dependent on foreign oil.

I am afraid under another reign og Putin, they could take a step backward.

But make no mistake about it, Medvedev has done a world of good for Russia and the country will most likely take a step backward without him.
 
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Dimitry Medvedev has already endorsed Putin for presidency. In 2012, Putin will most likely assume power once again. Medvedev could very well become Prime Minister.

Medvedev has made tremendous progress in Russia, especially with honest business growth and making her more modern and technologically advanced. He has also pushed for them to be less dependent on foreign oil.

I am afraid under another reign og Putin, they could take a step backward.

But make no mistake about it, Medvedev has done a world of good for Russia and the country will most likely take a step backward without him.

Russia has ALWAYS been technologically advanced. What are you smoking?
 
Dec 2011
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Russia has ALWAYS been technologically advanced. What are you smoking?

Russia has fallen behind in many aspects regarding the modernization of their society and economy. Medvedev even made that a key and important part of his presidency. And they have indeed made great progress under his tenure and plan.

From Wiki:

Medvedev modernisation programme

The Medvedev modernisation programme is an initiative launched by President of Russia Dmitry Medvedev in 2009, which aims at modernising Russia's economy and society, decreasing the country's dependency on oil and gas revenues and creating a diversified economy based on high technology and. The programme is based on the top 5 priorities for the country's technological development: efficient energy use nuclear technology; information technology; medical technology and pharmaceuticals; and space technology in combination with telecommunications.

Background

After the near total collapse in 1998, the Russian economy recovered as a result of high oil prices during the presidency of Vladimir Putin, but remained heavily dependent on energy and raw material exports. In the first decade of the 2000s, global oil prices kept rising, fuelling economic growth. Medvedev later stated his belief that this was not only a boom, but also damaging to the Russian economy, saying that if the oil price is too high, "we’d never change the structure of our economy... We haven’t done anything in the last 10 years because oil kept rushing higher and higher."

There had been repeated calls for a more diversified economy under Putin; already in 2005, Putin's Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov warned about the dependency of the economy on raw material exports, and in 2007 Deputy Prime Minister Sergey Ivanov said that without diversification, the Russian economy will sooner or later face a collapse. Dmitry Medvedev, elected as President in 2008, made economic modernisation his prime presidential agenda. Medvedev's statements regarding this issue went much further than other statements by the Russian leadership. In 2009, Medvedev founded the Presidential Commission on Innovation. The commission comprises almost the entire Russian government and some of the best minds from academia and business.

Go Russia!

Medvedev set out his programme in his policy article titled Go Russia!, published online in September 2009. In the article, Medvedev formulated his strategic objective of modernising Russia. He criticised Russia's economic "backwardness" and what he called Russia's "humiliating" dependency on oil and raw materials. He described the Russian society as "archaic" and "paternalistic" and said that the country can no longer rely on the achievements of the past to secure a prosperous future. In Medvedev's view, Russia should aim for a modern, diversified economy based on high technology and innovation. Medvedev criticised the previous attempts to modernise Russia – those initiated by Peter I the Great and the Soviet Union – saying that the results they brought came at a too high cost, and this time modernisation must come not through coercion but via the development of the creative potential of every individual, through private enterpreneurship and initiative.



Medvedev identified five key areas for economic modernisation, in which breakthroughs must be achieved:
  1. energy efficiency and new fuels
  2. medical technologies and pharmaceuticals
  3. nuclear power engineering
  4. information technologies
  5. space and telecommunications.
Medvedev further discussed and publicised his programme in his second state of the nation address in November 2009, as well as in a televised speech in December 2009.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medvedev_modernisation_programme
 
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Russia has fallen behind in many aspects regarding the modernization of their society and economy. Medvedev even made that a key and important part of his presidency. And they have indeed made great progress under his tenure and plan.

From Wiki:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medvedev_modernisation_programme

Russia has fallen on hard times. They were even, and in many cases, more advanced than the USA during Soviet times. As their empire collapsed, so did their economy, which led to stagnation in their technology. Do not compare your country with that of the Russians. It is utterly ridiculous.
 
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Russia has fallen on hard times.

Hence why they have fallen behind and the genesis for the program by Medvedev. He saw they were lacking in that department and made that a major part of his platform.

They were even, and in many cases, more advanced than the USA during Soviet times.

There were some aspects where they were equal, but for the most part during the Cold War, the Americans were superior in the technological department. It is one of the major hand-full of reasons the Soviet Union collapsed. They could not keep pace in the arms race for technology and more powerful and accurate nuclear weapons.

And when the Soviets knew they could not produce as precise nuclear weapons regarding long-range, they attempted to make up for it by building more powerful bombs.

The Tsar was produced because of this.

Watch the video, but pay attention to 3:02.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOMsvuPUMTU[/YOUTUBE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOMsvuPUMTU

As their empire collapsed, so did their economy, which led to stagnation in their technology

Which was the point I made. You just contradicted yourself with your own words that I bolded.

In one post, you say they have always been technologicaly advanced, and in the next, you say they have been stagnant.
 
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Hence why they have fallen behind and the genesis for the program by Medvedev. He saw they were lacking in that department and made that a major part of his platform.



There were some aspects where they were equal, but for the most part during the Cold War, the Americans were superior in the technological department. It is one of the major hand-full of reasons the Soviet Union collapsed. They could not keep pace in the arms race for technology and more powerful and accurate nuclear weapons.

And when the Soviets knew they could not produce as precise nuclear weapons regarding long-range, they attempted to make up for it by building more powerful bombs.

The Tsar was produced because of this.

Watch the video, but pay attention to 3:02.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOMsvuPUMTU[/YOUTUBE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOMsvuPUMTU



Which was the point I made. You just contradicted yourself with your own words that I bolded.

In one post, you say they have always been technologicaly advanced, and in the next, you say they have been stagnant.

Wrong. The SOVIET UNION was at par with the USA in terms of technology. It is only recently the Russians have fallen behind somewhat because they are broke. The same would happen in the USA. It is Russian lack of money that caused them to fall behind, not a lack of brains of innovation. The Soviets kept pace with the USA in terms of technology. It is MONEY they were having problems with. Techology COSTS MONEY. The USA had plenty of it, the Soviets were spending all of theirs in the goal of worldwide communism. Their expenditures far outstripped your own.

Sputnik, and the Americans were more-advanced? *ROTFLMAO*
 
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